scott gottlieb. caller: hey, dr. scott. it is a pleasure to speak with you. was wondering, in your book, does it address any of the psychology in the industry? moving forward, lessons learned, associated with the misinformation? i see the traditional journalists have been showing people dying or in the icu and the hospitals who believe they have pneumonia and the whole covid thing is a hoax. is there anything you can recommend that you maybe have explored in the fact that we have a lot of people hooked on the alternate source of media? host: dr. gottlieb? guest: i spend a lot of time in the book talking about the need to be able to get if iterative answers to questions much earlier. we did not do a good job of collecting information early in the crisis. even now, in a lot of the key questions like the amount of therapeutics working, how many people are being hospitalized every day with covid -- i go through the difficulty we had getting that information from the cdc and why it is so important to develop the definitive information early enough, because one of

scott gottlieb . before we get to the book, remind viewers of the various roles you have served in over the course of this e served in over the course of this pandemic and what those roles have allowed you to see on the micro and macro level of the pandemic. guest: i served on the board of pfizer, so i got an inside view on the development of the vaccine. i also served on the board of alumina, which has been important to try to distribute sequencing machines to trace the virus around the world, marrying the tools of traditional epidemiology with the tools of being able to sequence the virus, which has allowed us to trace how the virus is spread around the world in a way we have not been able to doing past pandemics. i spent a good amount of time early on advising various officials in the trap administration, where i had served as fda commissioner, at i had also been in touch with officials in the biden administration, continuing to try to provide some ideas and guidance where i can. and obviously prov

scott gottlieb. plus a closer look at disinformation, misinformation, and their threat to democracy. house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff's new book is "midnight in washington." and fiona hill has just written, "there is nothing for you here." rounding out conversations, analyst chris krebs. it is all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪♪ >> brennan: good morning. and welcome to "face the nation." after last week's disappointing jobs report and the latest round of budget battles on capitol hill, we are reminded yet again that covid continues to be the biggest drag on our economic recovery. we begin with cbs news senior national correspondent mark strassmann in atlanta this morning. >> hey, can you watch your language. (bleep). >> reporter: more than a moment, short of a disorder, covid america has functioning anxiety, day after day, living with this lingering virus. [yelling] >> reporter: upset, uncertain, on edge, frustrated other people who ironically feel the same way won't come to sees

scott gottlieb. >> bret: tonight we talk to the former head of the fda. dr. scott gottlieb.the new book "uncontrolled spread" why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic. dr. gottlieb, thanks for being with us. >> thanks a lot. >> bret: when is this thing going to be over? do we know? >> yeah, i think this delta wave of infection is the last major wave of infection we are going to see here in the united states. on the back end of it i think we will enter more endemic phase of this illness pervasive and okay miss present not huge surge like we have seen offer the last year and a half. new mutation partially escape our vaccine and hopefully keep up with it and this will be the last major surge of infection we will have to deal with. >> bret: do you think, knowing what you know, and in this book it goes into a lot of details about the beginning until we are where we are now, that mandates on vaccines are effective? >> can mandates help us achieve higher levels of vaccination and will that make us more impervious to this wave of infections in the answer is ye

scott gottlieb. caller: hey, dr. scott. it is a pleasure to speak with you.ring, in your book, does it address any of the psychology in the industry? moving forward, lessons learned, associated with the misinformation? i see the traditional journalists have been showing people dying or in the icu and the hospitals who believe they have pneumonia and the whole covid thing is a hoax. is there anything you can recommend that you maybe have explored in the fact that we have a lot of people hooked on the alternate source of media? host: dr. gottlieb? guest: i spend a lot of time in the book talking about the need to be able to get if iterative answers to questions much earlier. we did not do a good job of collecting information early in the crisis. even now, in a lot of the key questions like the amount of therapeutics working, how many people are being hospitalized every day with covid -- i go through the difficulty we had getting that information from the cdc and why it is so important to develop the definitive information early enough, because one of the shortc

scott gottlieb. then, newly released facebook documents charge the explosion of misinformation that may have helped fuel the mayhem on january 6. we'll talk with the chairman of the top committee charged with investigating, mississippi democrat, bennie thompson. we'll also talk about the tough compromises democrats have to consider in order to make a deal. and we'll hear from the chief economist of the international monetary funds on how much those proposals could impact the u.s.-playinged economy. and almost two months after the last american soldier left afghanistan, questions about our chaotic departure linger. ambassador zalmay khalilzad, who negotiated the u.s. withdrawal, under presidents trump and biden, joins us for his first television interview since resigning last week. it's all just ahead on facethe naings. >> brennan: good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." we begin what may be a key week in washington as president biden tries to close in on a compromise version of his multitrill

scott gottlieb. from louisiana, your next. -- you are next.ould like to ask two questions. i think i might know what your answer would be in part two a question of whether or not the blood type affects covid, because there has been no mention of it today. i have heard that no negative -- o negative is more resistant to the covid virus. i'm wondering what your opinion is on the current research in this area. host: give me your second question real quick before we take the answer. caller: but i really want the answer to that question for sure. the other is, how many people who contract covid -- is there any data being calculated on the people who contract covid who have major medical illnesses? is it mostly ill people who contract it or is it not? host: got it. thanks for the call. dr. gottlieb, blood type first. guest: on blood type, there has been mixed research about whether people with certain blood types are more predisposed to more severe disease from covid. i am not perfectly up-to-date on the literature but i was reading it along the way

scott gottlieb. it is all ahead on "face the nation." ♪♪ >> brennan: good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." these are interesting times here in washington. we're used to the political battles being back and forth between republicans and democrats, but today we find ourselves in an increasingly polarized debate between democrats. the factions in the party, the progressives and liberals, and the moderates. we do begin today with a key progressive, new york representative alexandria ocasio-cortez. congresswoman, it is great to have you here in studio. >> great to be here. thank you. >> brennan: so you have this standoff right now. how real is the risk that the democrats end up with nothing? >> you know, i know that -- you know, i believe that the entire party is committed in delivering for this country. and i know that our caucus, the house democratic caucus, is entirely focused on delivering for this country. but i think the question that we're having right now, and the reason why we are havin

scott gottlieb, he's fellow at the american enterprise institute and serves on the board of pfizer.uncontrolled spread: why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic." scott, nice to see you again. thanks for coming in. let me ask, you know, you've got the -- you said the virus crushed us. okay. the implication is we made a lot of mistakes. what are the one or two things, decisions that had we to do it over again early in the pandemic, we would have made that would have made a difference? >> i think early on we didn't recognize that we didn't have an organization capable of mounting the type of logistical response to respond appropriately. we 'twas trusted the -- we trusted the cdc, and it just wasn't within the capacity of the ethos of that organization, the retrospective organization doing very high science work, has a backward-looking mindset. it can't surface information and do analytical work in the setting of a rye sis and try to get the -- crisis to make realtime decisions and couldn't mount the kind of logistical response. they couldn't develop and deploy a

joining us now is former fda commissioner scott gottlieb the author of an controlled spread and how weould defeat the next pandemic and also on the board of pfizer. dr. gottlieb, great to have you here. so let me pull up the map again. because it is amazing to see that much green on the map. green is good. green means cases have declined. but i know that just a couple of weeks ago, you were still predicting that there would be hot spots where we would slide backward. is that still your prediction for the next month? >> yeah, and there are still hot spots. when you look at the national data, you see an improving picture nationally because it is sharp declined in states like texas and florida and it is largely run its course down there. they've infected a good percentage of the population and people who haven't been infected have been vaccinated. you're seeing an uptick in cases across the midwest and west right now and the level of infection in some of the states is on par with what we're seeing in the south. now they are less populated states so you're not seeing enough infections to d

scott gottlieb about it and we'll talk to dr. christiana bardon, who was a speaker at some of our conferences. and m.i.t. undergrad, so get ready. i'm going to talk to her about which department -- she has a masters and bachelors there. then a harvard m.d. suma cum laude. and so she's heading up a big company that does this, she knows about this stuff too we're talking about. but what i was saying that i was getting to was who slowed merck's covid remedy this is really interesting there was a whistle-blower that got the fullbacking of a lot of people who now have egg on their face rick bright at the bio medical advanced research authority and they said this was rushed through by the trump administration because of a relationship they had with a guy at emery remember we heard about ridgeback down at emory university they were accusing this of being for profit my favorite line is from senator elizabeth warren who treated in may, the trump administration ignored warnings from dr. rick bright and fired him after he wouldn't go along

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scott gottlieb, a former contributor and serves on the boards of pfizer and illumina. t couple of days, we've had a few setbacks yesterday the covid pill we were hoping to be approve, didn't meet its own internal trials standards that it had been setting. today these concerns about whether or not novo vax can actually mass produce a vaccine that had very strong results what would you say right now this the a setback >> the data was right, the challenges seem to be related to manufacturing. i don't have insight into the problems beyond what i read in the news reports i think this pushes back to operation warp speed and some lessons we should learn. early on, we should have tried to scale the manufacturing processes that hadn't done it before there was a big effort to assist moderna, that was very successful but i didn't see a similar effort to assist novo vax. early on you could have partners well this with him gen that 45d experience scaling the biotech pro process. that's the drill process, that's what operation warp speed was set up to do the same with therapeutics we

scott gottlieb. he ran the food and drug administration from 2017 to 2019. and he joins me now.y much for being here. there are so many elements that you recap in this book-- china secrecy, our fixation on focusing on the flu rather than a coronavirus, failures of our stockpile, multiple myriad mistakes made by different agencies. but, one of the failures that you keep hammering over and over again was our recurrent inability to do widespread testing. can you remind us why testing is so important in the middle of a pandemic? >> well, testing was important, particularly in this pandemic, because you had a virus that had a long incubation period, meaning that people could get exposed to the virus and get sick a long interval after that exposure. so, there was an opportunity to test them and find that they were incubating the virus and get them isolated. and also, people spread the virus when they were asymptomatic, and some people who went on to spread the virus never developed symptoms. so, testing would be a very important tool in trying to control spread under that circumstance

scott gottlieb. we appreciate your time. we heard from gabe gutierrez there reporting.eve that we're seeing the start to the end of this nearly two-year pandemic? and what would it mean to transition to an endemic? >> i think there's a high like lie hood this delta wave of infection is the last major surge, barring something unexpected where we get a new variant that pierces the immunity we've acquired through vaccination and prior infection. on the back end of this delta wave you'll have a more endemic virus that's a persistent threat but doesn't have the same high prevalence we're seeing with this delta wave. that said, while the national averages are coming down it looks like an improving picture across the country, it's being driven by the fact that you're seeing sharp declines in the south, and big states like texas and florida where there really was a raging epidemic but now you're seeing the delta wave move to other parts of the country like the west and the midwest and they're having outbreaks right now that are on par with what we saw in the south and it remain

scott gottlieb, he sits on pfizer's board of directors, the author of the book "uncontrolled spread,d us and how we can defeat the next pandemic." dr. gottlieb, good to see you, on one level i'm never as a business journalist comfortable with getting announcements from publicly traded companies. i would wish they would go through the process and we'd learn it through journals and organizations. but bottom line is, merck says this pill could work and that's a big deal, if true. >> yeah, and the results are coming out this week because we're trying to move very quickly in the setting of a crisis. normally these results would be published in a journal, i suspect. this is probably one of the most profound treatment effects i've seen from an orally available pill in the treatment of a respiratory pathogen, perhaps ever. this could be a real game changer and the important detail from this clinical trial is that the patients enrolled in this trial for whom you saw that treatment, saw a 50% reduction in hospitalization or death, these were patients with risk factors for covid. risk factors t

scott gottlieb, and former u.s. envoy to afghanistan, zalmay khalilzad.f you can't watch the "evening news," set your dvr, so cawatch us l.d at inight's itio the "cbs evening news." i'm norah o'donnell in our nation's capital. i hope you have a great weekend. w'll see >>> right now at 7:00 -- >> we have some preparation to do. >> we have about a day left to make those preparations before the biggest storm we have seen in at least 9 months blast the bay area. >>> heavy rain and gusty wind in the forecast for sunday. details coming up. >>> the stormy weather has already turned deadly for at least one driver. >>> meanwhile, pg&e scrambling hundreds of crews into position . we will show you what they are doing to try to keep your power on. >> it's all hands on deck right now. >>> a bay area police employee accused of encouraging people to kill officers. tonight, he is free on bail. >>> a double dose of pfizer news. >> it's not all about the vaccine. plus, what a company scientist told the jury in the elizabeth holmes trial. >> it's significant because it goes

scott gottlieb, has predicted and he is a pfizer board member , we may not see that until well into 2022. perhaps within the first quarter of the new year you could get your young children, i count myself as a parent of a three-year-old and a six-month- old, those young children, toddlers and preschoolers will not have the protection of a vaccine for some time. that is one of the last legs of the population that remains unprotected. so we will talk about what to do if you are the parent of a young child and what to do if an elementary school kids in the five to 11-year-old range does want to go get a vaccine. what questions do you need to ask your pediatrician? we will have a pediatrician joins us from children's national hospital and she participated in the vaccine trial. she should have firsthand knowledge to share with us. >> watch face the nation sunday mornings at 8:30 right here. not und like a good thing but s one bay area county did it on purpose. it is part of the restoration of the pacheco marsh and the lower walnut creek watershed . jocelyn moran takes us there. >> reporter: t

scott gottlieb, who also sits on the board of pfizer and is the author of "uncontrolled spread: why covidcrushed you and how we can defeat the next pandemic." doctor, pfizer applied for emergency approval for children ages five to 11, to be able to get a vaccine. is it reasonable to assume that by thanksgiving we could see children fully vaccinated? >> doctor: i think that is certainly reasonable in terms of when this would be available. the f.d.a. is meeting on october 26th to discuss this application. assuming they authorize the use of the vaccine, the c.d.c.'s advisory committee will meet on november 2nd and 3-7bd and 3rd.and assuming both those events go well, this soon be available almost immediately after the c.d.c. makes their determination. and pfizer plans to ship this vaccine in smaller vials and also small trays that could make it more accessible to more pediatric offices. >> brennan: perhaps more readily available than when the adults went through the process. according to the poll we started our program with today, more than a third of parents say they will vaccinate their fi

scott gottlieb on the show not long ago, and he felt that the u.s.olved with the9 pandemic threat. there's concern that if they did so, anyone in a white coat overseas would be seen as a cia agent. how do we handle that? did you agree with the basic premise that maybe some arms of the military should help out with the pandemic threat? >> i think the intelligence community is charged with the defense of the nation, and it didn't say against certain threats, it's really against all external threats. so i am sympathetic to what dr. gottlieb is saying, that we should take every element of national power to try to understand threats coming at us and do something about them. however, my background in counterterrorism does say that if you ever put someone from the media or someone from a nonprofit or in the medical world this a position where they're also acting as an intelligence operative, every other hebb of those elements -- member of those elements gets painted in the minds of your opposition with that. so every media, every doctor and all is immediate

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and it's of such concern that one of the former heads of the fda, scott gottlieb, wrote today, "we need urgent research to figure out if this delta-plus is more transmissible." david? >> matt, thank you. >>> we turn next here this evening to china. that country denying reports tonight that they have tested a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile. how would you track it if it was carrying a nuclear weapon? and was u.s. intelligence caught offguard? here's our foreign correspondent james longman now. >> reporter: china denying reports it test-fired a hypersonic missile, technology that would allow it to fire a nuclear warhead faster than anyone else. britain's "financial times" saying beijing test-launched the weapon this summer, sending it into space and around the planet before it landed just 25 miles away from its intended target. hypersonic glide weapons can fly five times the speed of sound and lower than conventional weapons. >> the u.s. does not currently have the ability to even track this weapon, much less defeat it. it will give the chinese the ability to conduct a nuclear strike a

scott gottlieb, really appreciate it. spread, why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic. >>> ahead, victory for families of the victims of the 2012 mass shooting at sandy hook. alg ex-jones who ped ld lies and conspiracy theories about the shooting and attorney for the families joins us next. when we found out our son had autism, his future became my focus. lavender baths calmed him. so we made a plan to turn bath time into a business. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor at nm.com >>> i want to spend time on a story we brought to you last night. a major legal battle won by families of the victims of the sandy hook mass shooting against conspiracy peddler, alex jones. person turned out -- he turned the worst possible tragedy, i should say, for these families into a nightmare. now, before we do, though, we want to pay our respects to the 26 students and educators who were killed that day back in 2012. the people that jones defamed with his lies. there were the children who were killed that day. all

scott gottlieb over the weekend according to the u.k.dering whether or not we have a problem with delta plus. i thought it had been around for a while. why now are we refocusing our attention on it? should we be or is something else going on. >> it might be total red herring. we see the delta variant has picked up lots of that along the way. what they're calling a foundry effect. if you -- this happens to be the virus. i'm not saying that's the answer. and then of course you've got the issue. alix: what explains the outsize rising cases and deaths in the u.k. mark >> start fire knows people are likely to be the ones who are infected others, you get a faster rise. that is expected. you've got a slight change in the weather pattern, i can tell you it still 20 degrees here in southern france. we shouldn't forget those elements, but there's also the critical thing here that the u.k. was very early on in its vaccination program. if there was any herd immunity we would be the ones to see it. >> we need to get on with boosters. >> absolutely an

scott gottlieb is here conveniently for us.ributor and serves on the board of pfizer and ill lum new, his book uncontrolled stress debuted at number five on the "new york times'" best seller week this week i have a couple things, doctor, we just heard, i thought the same thing becky did it's like wow, i have a placebo, now i'm dead that's a problem you have pointed out many times there is going to be no unvaccinated people. somehow they found 700 people that haven't been vaccinated but as we go forward, it's going to be hard to do some of these te tests. >> well, this was a global trial. they have a big data set they can collect a large safety data set this is a phenomenal result. this is a profound game changer to have an oral pill that had this kind of effect, this magnitude in patients of high risk who are already symptomatic. if you moved it earlier in the line of care on patients who were exposed and aren't symptomatic or at great risk, you will see a greater result. so this is quite profound and the other thing i just wou

. >> the former nda commissioner, scott gottlieb, is calling for urgent research into a mutation of the variant known as delta plus, following a surge of cases in the u.k. when i first read this, i say oh my gosh, here we go again. covid numbers in the u.s. have been improving recently. how worried are you that this could throw us off course again? >> we need to remain vigilant. whether this variant will turn out to be a problem or not, until this is controlled everywhere in the world, we all remain at risk. the vaccine numbers are improving but they're not as high as they should be and not uniformly high. some communities have vaccine coverage rates above 80% and some are down closer to 50%. we need to get everybody the information they need so they can make decisions and get vaccinated. and we need to do more to provide vaccines globally or we all remain at significant risk. >> the former acting director of the cdc, i was glancing down at a piece that you wrote in "the hill" about the impact of the child tax credit on health equity. this is a quote, "the budget reconciliation measure

. >> all these fights over masks and mandates street concerning the former fda chief scott gottlieb.andates may be the wrong idea just as a national mandate is set to go into effect soon for bigger businesses. >> i think where this gets touchy is when you mandate vaccination for private businesses down to the level of 100 employees. that's where you're going to get resistance, you're going to get lawsuits and you're going to turn this into more of a political issue. vaccines become another political issue we divide ourselves on as a society. that's not just the covid vaccination rates, but vaccines across the board. we need to be careful here and make sure the incremental benefit we're getting in terms of additional people vaccinated is going to have enough public health payoff to inflict the policies we're enacting. >> meanwhile, a study found the coronavirus rate where vaccination rates are lower is double that inside metropolitan areas. >>> rural urban divide on deaths. immigration officers can no longer deport people from the u.s. solely because they are undocumented. authorities

wlst last hour, scott gottlieb said it would be a game-changer. i wasn't reading closely enough.was vaccine in a pill form. anybody that was sick with covid, could potentially take this and how effective would it be? we have to be getting clarify on who would benefit from this. the people that have the breakthrough infections, that are sick, they could benefit from this. they weren't part of the initial trial. but i think -- let me show you the data on this. this is the trial. it was -- you split the two groups, 385 were given the drug. 28 were hospitalized. and in the placebo group, 377, 45 were hospitalized. eight died. that's 14% to 15%. that's where the 50% benefit comes from. that's where they calculate that. it is a treatment, as opposed to a preventative. these are people that have covid. while it seems to be an effective treatment, as i showed you, there's still -- a lot that we don't know about this virus. people are going to say, hey, now that this exists, should it make the vaccine less important? no. you still don't want this disease. we don't know what it does to the

commissioner scott gottlieb, author of "new york times" best-seller uncontrolled spread, why covid-19. congratulations on the book. >> scott: thanks a lot. >> mike: your reaction to governor gavin newsom step to say all children, public and private need to be vaccinated going forward? >> scott: well, look, i think decisions are best made at local level. i wouldn't want to second guess decisions to mandate the vaccine. i'm skeptical because decisions are collectsive decisions that affect communities and best made at level of the community. businesses make decisions for themselves because they feel it is ome way to protect workers or customers. local school districts making similar decision, unlikely to see a lot of school districts mandate vaccination, only available under use vaccination. i think we will have to waits for more vaccines to be fully approved before you see the cdc step in to include this in the child immunization schedule. i think that is inevitable, we will see that within a year. >> mike: dr. scott gottlieb, thank you so much, sorry, breaking news. >> sandra: white ho

. >> speaking of the fda, the former director scott gottlieb tweeted this on sunday, uk reported its biggest one-day covid case increase in three months, just as this new delta variant, within unpronounceable named mutation, in the spike reaches 8% of uk sequin cases. we need urgent research to figure out if this delta plus, there is a name, is more transmissible, and has partial immune evasion. how concerned are you, how concerned should we be? >> brian, it's a little too early to say. whenever you do see a variant that's become more common, which is what happened with the delta variant over the course of the spring in the summer. we saw it become more, and more, and more, common. and that can indicate that it has, it's winning out the race of natural selection. it has some sort of competitive advantage, compared to the other variants. the other possibility though, is that it simply in a sense, this particular delta plus, could simply be hitching a ride on other reasons for increased transmission. which could be as simple as going back to school, back to the office, and not masking.

scott gottlieb, the former fda commissioner last weekend, and he projected that by thanksgiving we would delta variant. do you agree with that, and do you think that once we get through the delta variant that that's going to be the worst we see, the worst variant we see, and that it's going to get better from there with the assumption that you have a certain amount of people vac nat vaccinated in the country and a certain number infected. >> nobody would be happier than i would be if dr. gottlieb is right, but i'm not as confident. and here's why. i see the glass as half empty that we only have half the country still unvaccinated. there are still a lot of unvaccinated individuals. i'm watching what's happening in the northern border of the country around canada, and i am worried about another big, big fall surge. i think there is just too many people unvaccinated in this country to feel at all comfortable. so now is to push -- >> previous infections helping with this? i've heard it said, you can't ignore the people with previous infections. how does that factor in? >> if you look at peop

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scott gottlieb predicts the delta variant may be the last surge of the pandemic, he disagrees. >> i disagreeith dr. scott in the spring who said we wouldn't have any cases in the summer either. because we still have 65 million americans who are not vaccinated who could be. this surge is over, obviously on the way down but we'll have more surges in the future. >> reporter: nationwide, hospitalizations are down by fewer than 75,000 beds occupied. and it's dropped below 100,000. the vaccination rates continue to slow the average number of people starting the vaccination process has dropped. more than 40% over the past two months, according to cdc data. and when it comes to vaccination rates among children eligible for the shots -- >> only 33% of the 12 to 17-year-olds were given the covid-19 vaccine here in the south. most of the southern states, compared to 80% in the northeast. so, once again, you have this geographic divide where parents are holding back on vaccinating their adolescents, and probably holding back on younger kids as well. >> reporter: more shots will be in arms soon. the fda

that has former fda chief scott gottlieb raising concerns about a delta variant. yes, you heard it right. what is this? >> reporter: brianna, just as the cases in the hospitalization numbers are going down, the last thing we want to hear is there is a new variant, or a variant of a variant. it is a variant of the delta variant. but really there isn't reason to be alarmed right now for several reasons. number one, it is in such tiny numbers. number two, we don't know if it's anymore dangerous than the delta variant we already have. no reason to think it causes more severe disease or that it spreads faster. the alarm that needs to be sounded and what dr. gottlieb is trying to do, is to say we need to keep careful watch on the variants so we don't have another surge like we had last summer with delta. let's look at one of dr. gottlieb's tweets. he wrote, this is not a cause for immediate concern but a reminder we need robust systems to identify, characterize new sraeurpts. this needs to be a coordinated, global priority for covid same as similar international efforts

scott gottlieb said the mandates have been working so far with vaccination rates going up.hile he believes the government has every right to implement these mandates, gottlieb said it's another story when it comes to small businesses. >> i think the federal government is well within their prerogative to mandate vaccination for the federal work force. that is an issue of federal readiness. i think we should be mandating vaccination among other groups like the elderly. i think we should try to work with medicare programs to try to get medicare providers and health plans to get higher vaccination rates in the older population. that's where we can make a real difference. i think mandating vaccine among health care workers also makes a lot of sense because it's a function of protecting the people that they're caring for. i think where this gets touchy is when you mandate vaccination for private businesses down to the level of 100 employees. that's where you're going to get resistance, you're going to get lawsuits and you're going to turn this into more of a political issue. ther

scott gottlieb says even if we see a spike right now, theat it might be the last one. >>> that does it for "the exchange," everybody "power lunch" begins right now >> kelly, thank you very much. see you in just a minute well, everybody, to "power lunch" for a friday. here is what's ahead do not believe the bad news. the jobs report for september was ugly, but the big miss isn't as bads it looks we will tell what you the experts say and what it means for your investments bitcoin's breakout prices hitting key levels. is bitcoin the new inflation hedge? we will look at crypto's roll amid some market madness and can james bond save the box office the stakes are high for an industry still trying to bounce back from the pandemic amount of big hour ahead cal -- kelly. >> the dow is down ten points. the s&pdown five the nasdaq down 54, these where we are seeing the most decisive action this afternoon. .4% decline n. bond yields, the ten-year moving higher, now just a hair below 1.6%. we have been watching some of these key levels lately. domestic crude hit $80 for the first time since i believ

scott gottlieb. good to see you, dock. that we don't have a confirmed commissioner for the fda? >> look, we have a very good acting commissioner of the fda, dr. janet woodcock has been in that seat all through the biden administration. i think quite frankly, the administration was better off with an experienced official than bringing in someone from the outside: having been in that role myself there's a steep learning curve and having someone that can hit the ground day one and be effective from the outset has been an advantage for the administration as opposed to trying to recruit someone from the outside. that said, they have said that they're going to appoint someone into that position imminently or make an announcement about an appointment maybe within days from now. >> my sources in the administration say the same thing, and they're worried they're going to trade down, but i just wanted to get that out there on the record because it's a point of, you know, they're keeping -- the republicans are keeping this from happe

. >>> well, former fda chief scott gottlieb is calling for more research into the strain of the delta variant circulating here in the uk. he said there is no indication it is more transmissible than delta, but it is important to quickly identify variants around the globe. it comes as covid numbers are surging in the uk which has few pandemic related restrictions. still a recent report from the government found new variant accounts for just 6% of new cases. >>> and those warnings come, of course, as u.s. could be getting a glimpse of what this winter will look like. this map shows cases starting to tick back up in some states where the weather has been getting colder. meanwhile, cases are going down in the south where temps are still mild. it's similar to the pattern we saw if you remember last year. and experts have warned that the u.s. could see another surge, especially as more people head indoors during those winter months. >>> and we are just hours away from the second day of jury selection in the trial of three men accused of killing ahmaud arbery. the 25-year-old unarmed black m