charles mulli and director scott hayes join us to discuss their award winning documentary "mully" which explores dr. charles mully. he became a successful man, a millionaire before giving it all up to save children's lives. today he's the founder of the largest children's rescue rehabilitation and development organization in africa. we're glad you've joined us. that conversation in just a moment. ♪ and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. ♪ >> delighted to welcome filmmaker scott hayes and dr. chrls mulli to this program. their docudrama depicts dr. mully's unlikely rise to power. known as the father of the world's largest family his work helped support more than 12,000 orphans in kenya. before we start our conversation, here now a clip from "mully." >> he needed to sell everything and start hipping the poor in the society, the children who were abandoned. >> how did you let go of what you hold dearly and how do you decide when to share your love? >> kenya was burning. we can't let this happen. we have to do something. the children don't have food. if w

charles mulli and director scott hayes join us to discuss their award winning documentary "mully" whiche became a successful man, a millionaire before giving it all up to save children's lives. today he's the founder of the largest children's rescue rehabilitation and development organization in africa. we're glad you've joined us. that conversation in just a moment. ♪

scott: it is a great story. it was on the front page of many newspapers that summer. it even attracted the attention of the president of the time, president rutherford b. hayes. as not the type to gloat about others'misfortunes but he definitely took satisfaction in conkling's comeuppance. brian: where was chester arthur ?hen garfield was shot scott: he was actually up in albany, trying to help conkling win back his senate seat. there was a fight. rutherford b. hayes was trying to institute reforms fighting back against machine politicians like conkling. when he insulted conkling by putting someone in the new york customhouse without consulting him, conkling and the other senator from new york resigned in protest, thinking that certainly the new york legislature would very quickly restore him to his seat. this was before the direct election of senators, and that he would've made his point. but as it turns out, the legislature had had enough of conkling's antics and it was a tougher job than he had anticipated. and chester arthur, who was james garfield's vice president, went to albany to help conkling get his seat back. this was in direct opposition to what ga

hayes. and another man who looks like the rest. an ohioan. grant and garfield were born in ohio. what was it about the state that was sotime attractive to the country? scott: i am not sure. it is now known as a vital state politically. if there was something appealing about those men, or the state. hayes was in the civil war. he pledged to one term. reform the civil service, the gigantic issue of the time. why would the civil service need to be reformed? what was that connection to conk ling? time, this was populated by people who were political loyalists. there was no thought given to whom might be able to do the job, who had the proper qualifications. was a way for the party to perpetuate its power. hadequired people who gotten jobs because of their party service to contribute to the party. mandatorys were contributions that had to be made. if you worked for the government. brian: what percentage of their salary? scott: it depended on what the salary was. workers ateet -- the the customhouse used to collect street.l it hand-over they had to sign their checks over the to the republican party there. we talked about teddy roosevelt. later presidents wanted

scott: it is a great story. it was on the front page of many newspapers. it even attracted the attention of rutherford b. hayeswho was not the type to gloat about others'misfortune. host: where was chester a. arthur when garfield was shot? scott: chester arthur was up in albany, try to help cobbling when back his senate seat. win back his-- senate seat. when he insulted conkling by putting someone in the new york customhouse, without consulting him, conkling and the other senator from new york resigned in protest, thinking that certainly the new york legislature would quickly restore him to his seat. this was the time before direct election of senators. as it turned out, the legislature had had enough of conkling's antics and it was a tougher job than he anticipated. chester arthur, who was james garfield vice president, went to albany tell conkling's seatback -- to help conkling get his seatback. this was in opposition to it garfield was trying to do. his also try to do that, but in this case it was garfield trying to push the same sort of thing. it was widely noted that arthur was in new york doing conkling'