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joining us now, scott hodge, president of the tax foundation.er all these redundant programs. knock a few out for us, would you? it's phenomenal stuff. this is doge stuff. >> oh, doge stuff, yeah, indeed, larry. you know, the government ought to be treated like a company that's in receivership, bankrupt. and is we need to get rid of obsolete programs like the tennessee valley are authority, the how about the corporation for public broadcasting? amtrak. the -- all kinds of issues whether it's government lands or agencies that have outlived their usefulness. there are too many programs that were started before the great depression that are stilling being funded today. and it's time to look through each and every one of those and say is this obsolete, should it be done by the private sector, should it be done by state and local governments instead, should it be a federal funk at all. that's how -- function at all. larry: let me read you what you to got, 44 federal employment programs. 44. 15 agencies involved in food safe i. 80 to programs involved

lessons for the doge brothers, we'll be talking about that with art laffer and scott hodge coming next. stick with kudlow. progressive makes it easy to see if you can save money with a commercial auto quote online so you can get back to your monster to-do list. super helpful. see if you can save money at progressivecommercial.com. thank you. david: well president carter's often remembered for leaving office with high inflation, low growth, and high taxes, but he also made strides towards common sense, regarding deregulation that believe it or not the doge team may want to look at. joining us now is scott hodge, president of the tax foundation and art laffer, former reagan economist and co-author of the trump economic miracle. good to see you both, gentlemen. thank you so much. well there were two appointments that carter made. one was paul volcker, as the fed chair and of course, volcker working with reagan. reagan worked on the supply side, volcker worked on the demand side to squeeze inflation out of our economy in the late 70s and early 80s and he basically did it thank god we had t