mike: it's my brother's initials -- scott james ciprari. we started the company together 15 years ago. lemonis: he's not in the business anymore? mike: about five years ago, things started to not be good. i mean, my brother's a genius. he's the one that started making the drums. i don't know how to make drums. i know how to market. but it was very bad -- it was toxic for him and i to be working together. and three years ago, i said, "i'm gonna buy you out." and we didn't see each other for a while. -lemonis: tough. -mike: yeah. lemonis: when you lose the founder of the business, it definitely hurts the business. there's other people you could hire, but you can't hire a new brother. [ drums playing ] mike: man, you got it! lemonis: what was interesting to me is the range of ages that were in that booth, excited to see and play sjc. it was impressive. if they could offer up more affordable kits, this is maybe one of the few businesses that i think has more potential than even the owner thinks. -lemonis: that was pretty good. -mike: [ laughs ]