scott mcnealy and me were founders of both companies.nd i love this story for the following reason. nobody remembers your failure. even though the probability of success was low on either. this is great about entrepreneurship. failure does not matter. but one's willingness to fail gives one the ability to succeed. if you are not willing to take risks, if you are not willing to fail, you are not going to do anything interesting. because most interesting things are new, and new things involve risk, and risk involves failure. emily: why did you leave when you did and what was your biggest take away? vinod: before sun and before data dump, i started a company called daisy systems. and daisy was quite successful in 1986, it went public. frankly, daisy made more money for me than i thought i needed ever in my life. and so i then wanted the freedom. and i looked at careers like, what else should i do? so i joined kleiner perkins, who was one of my lead investors, to essentially mentor and help entrepreneurs. emily: how does the venture industry

i thought of scott mcnealy, who said, if you want your privacy get over it.y privacy. i want the federal government to secure it. although the way we arranged this incredible network we're so dependent on it. i asked a law school class last year, how many law graduate, clicked terms of privacy, raise your hands? nobody raised their hand. we're so dependent upon it. neil: it is everywhere. i'm wondering donald trump has been complaining about that but it does seem to be particularly widespread and almost wondering if the institutions themselves are turning against a president who turned against them and questioned their intelligence data and whether this is tit-for-tat? i have no idea, but what is going on because it seems out of control? >> well, my perspective is simply that for america security, both from a geopolitical point of view and economic security, given our mutual dependence on the internet, there needs to be far more collaboration between the capabilities of the federal government and these behemoths, these iconic digital companies in the silicon