in a small town, sudbury, massachusetts, to attend the wake of a 23-year-old marine lieutenant scott miller killed in afghanistan. go stand in line on a cold winter day for a 23-year-old who was killed in afghanistan and ask yourself is that young man and his family's ultimate sacrifice, is that going to change the way afghanistan is five years from now, seven years from now? no, it's not. >> you know his name, but most of the people in washington don't. we had a question from the audience where somebody was offended that i said that there aren't elites that we know, that we work with, that are our friends, either in the media world or the political world in washington, d.c. who have sons or daughters fighting and dieing. it's not -- it was for joe biden. it is for doris kearns goodwin. but it's something that washington just doesn't have to think about. let's stay another year or two because we don't want to be blamed for losing a war -- >> it's a line item, joe, a line item in the budget for people voting in the house and senate. for hundreds of thousands of americans, not a whole lot, it