demonstrated that we will start putting our finances in order, ceo of overstocked dhaka, and scott peterson of the streamlined sales tax governing board explain their views. >>> one of the issues be wishing state governments with tight budgets, local retailers, national on-line retailers and now congress is the issue of internet sales tax. that's our issue on the communicators. joining from salt lake city is the chairman and ceo of overstocked of calm, patrick byrne. mr. byrne, why shouldn't online retailers such as overstock .com collect sales tax for states? >> there's a constitutional argument and policy argument. what you want to hear first? constitutional argument is this was taken of 20 years ago by the supreme court with regards to quell which is an office supply retailer north dakota and illinois, north dakota one after them. they had to collect taxes, have an early computer program you can go online and check in order things a lot like a website. it went when north it would try to get them to collect taxes once the supreme court found 8-1 in north dakota that under the article 1 of

patrick byrne, the ceo of overstock.com, and be scott peterson of the streamlined sales tax governing board explain their differing views. >> host: well, one of the issues bewitching state governments with tight budgets, local retailers, national online retailers and now congress is the issue of internet sales tax. that's our issue this week on "the communicators." joining us from salt lake city is the chairman and ceo of overstock.com, patrick birr. gautham georgia again of "the hill" newspaper is our guest reporter. why shouldn't online retailers collect sales tax for states? >> guest: well, there's a constitutional argument and a policy argument. which do you want to hear first? >> host: go with both. >> guest: okay. constitutional argument is this was all taken up 20 years ago by the supreme court with regards to quill which is a office supply retailer. north dakota went with after them trying to -- it was based in illinois. north dakota went after them, people to have -- them to pay taxes. you could go online, order things, so a lot like a web site. north dakota tried to get them

of overstock.com and scott peterson of the sales tax governing board explain their differing viewings. one of the issues bewitching state governments is local retailers and national on-line retailers and now congress is the issue of internet sales tax. that's our issue this week on the communictors. joining us is the chairman and c.e.o. of o.co. and the sales tax that could be collected p for states. >> there is a policy argument. which do you want to hear first? >> go with both. >> ok. constitutional argument, this was taken up 20 years ago by the supreme court with regards to quill, which was an office supply retailer. north dakota went after them. it was in illinois and north dakota went after them, people to have to take them to collect taxes. they had an early computer program. you could go on-line and check in and order things, a lot like a website. when north dakota tried to get them to collect taxes, it went to the supreme court and the supreme court found 8-1 in the case that under the article one section 8 of the commerce clause of the constitution says congress has the righ

in the scott peterson case, it looked very nefarious.r case, she looked silly, she looked immature. the defense were able to show she came from a very dysfunctional, conflicted family where people tell all kinds of stories all the time. and i think in a way she became, you know, at least in an unconscious way much more capable of being acquitted in the jury's eyes than, say, scott peterson was, who the defense could not humanize and, in my opinion, did not defend very well. >> jeff, all the flaws that the prosecution thought would coalesce into an argument for motive and hence guilt in a way made people feel sorry and say she's a flawed character but not murder. >> well, maybe. what we're talking about now is if this verdict were a foregone conclusion. there was some really bad evidence against this woman. i mean, what mother waits 30 days to report a 2-year-old missing? i mean, most parents freak out if a 2-year-old leaves their sight. a month? i mean, that is a horrendous, horrendous fact that, i mean, under certain circumstances you g

please explain. >> well, scott peterson was not cleared by a jury.s convicted and also sentenced to death. so it really depends on the defendant and how it fits in the case. in the scott peterson case, he was accused of wanting to get rid of his wife because he wanted a philandering lifestyle. i felt in this case, an attractive casey anthony would actually favor the prosecution. although the research does show that, you know, for the most part, jurors will give some credibility to more attractive defendants in this particular case when it reinforces the theory and the theme of the prosecution that she wanted a freer lifestyle, it actually went against the defense. we were concerned about that going forward. >> you had a bird's eye view and interesting perspective on both the o.j. simpson trial and the casey anthony trial. thank you very much, sir. and by the way, coming up, we're going to speak to prosecutor jeff ashton in just about 30 minutes or so. dick morris, famous for taking down political opponents, so he wanted to know, has he ever seen -- w

the last time i covered a high circumstantial case like this was the scott peterson trial.d the door for him to the death penalty. we'll to have wait and see what this jury finds important and what they're going to do with it. >> talk to me about a rebuttal. i know you want to that he about it, drew petrimoulx. >> i was watching prosecutors prepare today. look for them to go back to those jail house videos where casey anthony is telling her father that he is a great dad. she dismisses the pool drowning theory. and one more thing, food for thought. three years ago tomorrow, casey anthony was at a fire work show right over our shoulder. >> and martin savidge who is right there with you. martin, you've covered these cases. just as drew has and also david mattingly. david said the last time he updated anything like this was scott peterson. what is your assessment? >> i agree with what has been said. you can't predict what the jury will do. i will say this has been a very attentive jury. both the prosecution and the he was the went out of their way to say how remarkable this jur

she gained celebrity status thinks to clients including a former mistress of convicted killer scott petersonhis could be the first case. a michigan woman facing up to three months in jail for planting a vegetable garden in her front yard, yes. workers tore up the yard to replace a sewer line she decided to replace grass with five large planter boxes. she's been growing basil, cabbage, tomatoes cucumbers and more, someone in the neighborhood complained to the city. >> they wanted ugs to move the vegetables from the front. and we didn't move the vegetables. we didn't think we were so they ticketed us and charged me with a misdemeanor. >> the city code says all unpaved areas must be planted with either grass, ground cover shrubs or suitable plant life. the last category bass and the city are fighting over. bass will go to court to fight charges this month. this unauthorized vegetable planting musting stopped! >> you would think that is suitable. >> maybe not and this fallen soldier's family says this is not the memorial he deserve autos car crash cleared out dozens of homes in the south bay. >>

but remember scott peterson, he's sitting on death row right now. >> so you're saying she's going toonvicted? >> she's going to get convicted of something. i think everyone that i have spoken to agree that something criminal happened, they just don't know what. i think perhaps the truth lays somewhere in the middle between the prosecution's theory and the defense's theory. prosecution's closing argument tomorrow, i'm going to be covering it on hln. i think everybody will be tuning in to this trial tomorrow. >> thank you sunny hostin. i appreciate it, so i'll tell you happy fourth tomorrow. >>> unbelievable pictures from louisiana, state troopers say a car was going so fast that it flipped multiple times before vaulting 12 feet in the air and landing on the roof of a bus terminal. our affiliate reports a 21-year-old driver died at the scene. troopers say fatigue may have been a factor but alcohol is not believed to have been involve. we're following several big stories for you this afternoon, including a warn of all groups, a drug cartel, and moammar gadha gadhafi's threat to european

you know, we have a stone-faced jury, that's not unusual in a high-profile case i saw it in the scott petersonmichael jackson case. they don't want to give away anything they're think, they know the whole world's watching them, the courtroom's watching them. we don't have a sense. we have a fairly balanced jury in terms of men and women, backgrounds, you know, et cetera been there was one question about a juror picked that said she couldn't judge anybody. but that's not that important, it's been brought out all you need to do is judge the facts, not the person. we'll see what they come up with but they're not giving us any indication right now. >> okay. how about the length of arguments? if some go too long does that irritate or anger the judge or the jury, or is there carte blanche do whatever you need to do considering what's at stake here? >> i was thinking about that. a very famous closing in the death penalty case went for, i think, days but that was to a judge. i think to a jury, you've got to keep it short, they've got all day right now slated for the closing. remember the state goes fi

. >> san quentin prison in california is home to some notorious killers -- scott peterson, who was sentenced to die for murdering his pregnant wife, laci, is perhaps the best known. but the facility also houses richard ramirez, better known as the night stalker, and richard allen davis, polly klaas' killer. the prison is more than 150 years old. the walls are crumbling. and the institution is outdated, contributing to an overwhelming increase in both the number and severity of brutal assaults by inmates. during the next hour, you will witness life inside san quentin, including a look inside california's vicious death row. >> san quentin opened in 1852 and today, seems physically trapped in the century in which it was conceived. old and decrepit, san quentin is riddled with shadowy alcoves and blind spots. there are no electrified, lethal fences. the towers around the perimeter must still be staffed where, incredibly, there are fewer surveillance cameras than a single convenience store. and worse yet, a lack of modernization has put officers in constant risk of inmate attack. >> every day i w

scott peterson. in my office, i see people listening on their earphones.e got it on at my office and house. even my mother's watching it all the time. she said to me, is casey going get in that chair? i don't know if she should, but it's just so pervasive and interesting to everybody, which to me means some people have some doubts or they're waiting for the grand finale so it all comes together for all of us. >> many thanks for that and we should let everyone know we're going to have gavel to gavel coverage for you tomorrow morning. take care. thanks. >>> it is about 31 past the hour. in minnesota, state parks are included in the shut down. all but the most critical functions has been sus sended. >>> in california, people are being warned to look out for bears. >>> the vice president in venezuela is assuring the country that hugo chavez still in command. he revealed he's been treated for cancer in cuba. >>> in havana, bloggers gathered to make a case for greater internet access. and in the czech republican, a street in prague has been named after reagan. a

trial, look at this case and the scott peterson trial, in terms of being stunned, what are you most surprised more surprised at this than any of those other verdicts, not only because of the death of this child so tragic but because of what casey anthony did after the fact. she seemed so indifferent to this. i thought the prosecution put a lot of evidence of motive on and they put a lot of evidence that this just could not have been an accident. you don't take a 2-year-old child that drowns in a pool, get your retired homicide detective father to conspire with you and dump her in a swamp with duct tape on her mouth. it defied the imagination. i think it's surprising to everyone in the country not one person on the jury was surprised by that. they came back in 11 hours after a six week case. when we debrief those jurors, i think we will learn a lot, what was the key fact here and maybe it was her father came off so poorly in this case. >> thank you. a mother who doesn't report her child missing for 31 day, that is still baffling to me. thank you very much. >>> in other news tonight, police hav

scott peterson is on death row in california in a case that had roebl just as many questions about howctly his wife lacy peterson died. there have been convictions where the body was never found on first degree murder. every jury is different and you can never guess. it's a fool's game to guess what a jury will do inside a courtroom. >> that's what makes your beat so fascinating. thank you so much. great to see you. jeff ashton will be on tomorrow morning at sock with chris jansing. watch that. that will be after the sentencing of down there in court sentencing of casey anthony. >>> and there is a new measure today of mitt romney's presumed status of the republican front runner for president. the former massachusetts governor raked in more than $18 million in the second quarter, less than he hauled in during his first fall quarter of fundraising last time around, but still best in field. jennifer served as deputy press secretary for bill clinton and we have an aid visor to house speaker john boehner. first of all, general for, taking a look at the field from the white house perspective

because he felt that they demonstrated that, but there have been other cases, the high-profile scott peterson case, for example, we didn't know exactly how laci peterson died, and yet the jurors expected that there was this avalanche of circumstantial evidence that together demonstrated he did it, even though we didn't know exactly how he did it. in this case, the jurors didn't feel that there was enough there to convict. >> yeah. it's a fascinating case. and remains so, despite this very controversial verdict. i want to bring in judge seidlin now, and ask you, judge, what you thought of the sentencing today, in particular. >> i thought that the judge, this judge seemed to be stayed oriented, prosecution oriented, and i believed that this judge would give the defendant, casey, the maximum sentence, and hammer her. and he did. he was left with the misdemeanors and he could give each misdemeanor one year, and he could give it consecutively. normally it would be concurrent. but he felt that the jury spoke clearly and loudly that she was not guilty of any form of homicide, and she was guilty of t

he is set to play accused wife killer scott peterson. is lowe explaining that role. >> this is for the part that i'm playing now. i'm playi ining drew peterson. drew is the cop from chicago. and the first wife was found dead in the try bathtub. second wife disappeared. still don't know where she is. he's currently awaiting trial for the murder of the first wife. >> so drew peterson is trying to stop production of this movie. this weekend i talked about this with our legal guys and asked if peterson's lawsuit has a chance. >> the book was written. it was called "untouchable." it's about drew peterson. wouldn't you imagine that his legal counsel would have written to the publishers trying to cease -- have them cease and desist? unfortunately, nobody apparently on the legal team reads. but they do watch television. so they're now trying to convince lifetime to stop the production. well, there's no more legal chance or constitutional chance in the world of that happening. drew peterson is concerned that he might appear in not a particularly

for a reasonable jury in my opinion to have come back with a guilty verdict, because remember scott peterson. that's a case that was entirely circumstantial, and guess what? they came up with guilty and death for that killer. and i think people feel cheated. i think the justice system in america feels -- many people feel it's been broken. i can tell you on the streets in orlando there are people who were screaming "we don't want a killer on our streets," and that was happening at the same time mr. jose baez is celebrating a champagne toast inside the restaurant across the street from the courthouse. justice for caylee? this is what he wants? or to be the most famous attorney in america with a new agent that wants to go become the next mark geragos or whatever it is that he has in mind. it's very, very disturbing. it's truly disturbing to me and to many people who are out there looking at this and seeing what we see as a broken system. >> i agree, by the way -- >> alan dershowitz, let me just put to you what you said to me. you said it wasn't about justice for caylee. >> that's right. >> but

some of the most infamous inmates include scott peterson who murdered his wife.amed the night stalker responsible for at least 14 killings. and richard davis who kidnapped and murdered 12-year-old pollee class in 1993. mark class is polly's father and low rain lohr's twin sons have been gunned down in a drive bishooting. does the money argument about how much it costs to sustain the appeals process, to keep death row inmates on death row does it influence at all your opinion about the death penalty? >> thank you for having me on, but let me say that this is nothing measure a cynical attempt by the california legislature to undermine the will of the people and to subvert the law of the land. there are very easy fixes that could streamline and push this process forward much more quickly. for instance, in california we have more than 170,000 practicing lawyers. however only 100 lawyers or less than 100 lawyers are qualified to handle death penalty appeals. this creates a backlog of a decade before they first get those appeals to the california supreme court. secondl

. >> scott peterson, executive director of the streamlined tax board which presents states rights to collect sales tax. thehill.com. thank you for being on the communicators. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] >> it representative john larsen offers his perspective on the debt ceiling negotiation, entitlement programs, and what it means for future legislative efforts. "newsmakers" tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. at 6:00 p.m. eastern. the head of the nuclear regulatory commission has called on his agency to complete recommendation new safety organizations and there would have by years to implement any new changes. he spoke monday at the national press club for about one hour. >> i am pleased and honored to be here today speaking at this institution. the national press club is a venue like another and it has been the center of washington journalism and news for more than 100 years. i was doing some research to prepare for this and my staff did some investigation into the press club and they noticed the historic emblem

simpson, scott peterson. i've got to ask you, what did you think about the casey anthony verdict? have never pre-judged anything. i never had an agenda going into an interview and i never pre-judged a trial. one, because i know the manifestations that can take place in a trial, and since i'm not present at the trial, how would i know what might have affected one juror as it might affect another? so i don't like, i don't like the whole overblown thing. i don't like pundits giving opinions when they haven't been attending the trial every day, convicting before -- you always get shocked if you convict before trial begins. and in this trial, you had a classic example, in my opinion, of they absolutely, definitely proved that she is not the nicest person in the world. >> right. and that was about all she proved. >> but they did not prove a murder. >> you've got this special sunday, "harry potter: the final chapter," 8:00 eastern. the magic began in 1997. were you swept up from the start with this? >> in '97, i took my two boys to the first -- i had never read the potter books, but i ha

you have to remember the self jurors and michael jackson and scott peterson.eard of them in voir dire. they know they'll get a book signed and that's the way the system works. >> how many jurors lie? >> a lot of jurors lie. of course they do. >> and i catch them and turn them in . down in la . you try cases back to back and stay on a panel . i would end up with the same jurors that i rejected coming on the next case i was doing especially the four-day cases. >> and it is a different menitality. they want to be on. >> and we can get out of this, please. we have the dog to feed or cat to watch. >> they lie about it . they (talking all at once.) >> they are to get the book and interview. they don't care what it takes to get on the jury and they are harder to kick off. >> or people who have something against law enforcement. i tried cases in the same court as oj simpson and you see not guilty. people wanted to punish the law enforcement. >> famous lawyers who try famous cases. johnnie cochran, they made huge amounts was money lecturing and writing books about it.

true, scott peterson did get convicted, but many, many of the cases wind up in acquittals, far more thanich is about 80 or 90% conviction rates across the country. so i think that we do need to take it with a grain of salt defense attorneys' complaints that the press is poisoning the public. >> it's odd. people are surrounding anthony's home, and donating gifts to the dead girl, caylee, and what does it say about society that the phenomenon is happening? >> it means people have too much time on their hands and need to get a life. the news has always focused on sensational trials, whether it's the lindbergh kidnapping in the '30s, and this is a form of the news that people have found interesting for many years. obviously television, when trials are televised, allow people to take a more direct and intense interest, but the vast majority of people, perhaps not the kind of people giving gifts to a dead child, but the vast majority of people recognize it's an interesting case, and the criminal justice system by and large works pretty well, and that's an appropriate message to get out of this

scott peterson who is sitting on death row, still gets marriage proposals on a regular basis. so, they are people that will get marriage proposals. but it's still going to be a different situation. sure, she'll find a group of people. i'm not suggesting she's going to be a total pariah. i'm saying, when it comes to selling her story, adapting to a community, when it comes to walking into a restaurant, i think it's going to be even worse for her than it was for o.j. >> she'll lie her way right through it. come on. her parents tried to get in touch with her. she won't even speak to her parents. and in fact, in one, last -- >> nancy, you have too many people -- >> tried to use them -- she tried to use them as media decoys when she left the jail. thank god her lawyer put his foot down on that, so george and cindy anthony wouldn't get used one last time by her. >> there are too many people out there who love nancy grace, who watch nancy grace on a regular basis, who are going to see her out there, somewhere, are going to give her a very, very hard time wherever she goes. >> well, t

scott peterson. he's sitting on death row right now in california with exactly the same type of case. no cause of death, nobody sauce him murder anybody, nobody could link him forensically to any part of the death, but the jury looked at all of it together and they said, you know what? that's enough for that brick wall of guilt. >> and casey anthony, we saw her today. she mouthed something when she made it very clear the prosecutor tried to paint her as a bad mother. what do we think of how we've seen her behaving, crying, sometimes stoic, sometimes serious. >> actually, suzanne, one of the charges that the judge is going to give, and that's what we call it. legally speaking, we say the judge is going to charge the jury. and basically, all it means is he's going to give them an instruction book and the instruction book is these are the laws that apply to this case. okay? this is the first degree murder charge. this is the aggravated man slaughter charge. this is the lying to a police officer charge.

the last time we saw a big circumstantial case like this was scott peterson, and that came out differentlyout hating him, and people looked at the facts wanton. >> david just said the evidence came up short. now, you did not think so initially? >> no. >> why? explain what happened that the jury looked at this and said nice try, but no game. >> well, here is the bottom line. it's what we said. we never no what we are thinking. i still think it's a good circumstantial evidence case. i will not back up because they did not agree with me. i said what i thought the whole time. i think it could have been a conviction. but what we need to do is listen to the jurors be interviewed. maybe they will say the science did not convince me, or if somebody pointed out, maybe jeff ashton's attitude turned him off, and maybe they felt sorry because they didn't know what jose was doing. maybe they had a kindergarten teacher that looked like casey anthony and they felt sorry for her. until we hear the reasoning we will not know. >> this is casey anthony right now. the verdict is being read. look at that. look

. >> scott peterson is the director of the streamlined sales-tax governing board which represents states in their effort to get sales tax collected by internet companies gautham nagesh as with the hill if you'd like to read what he writes, thehill.com click on hillicon valley. thank you for being on the communicators. president obama will address the nation tonight about the ongoing debt negotiation she is joined by the new york senator charles schumer. >> senator durbin, and we had to do this because a moment of silence they are not here but they are on their way. >> i spent all weekend trying to work something out with republicans, but instead of pushing forward, we went backwards. here is one example. you know, we are spending this year for the military about $700 billion. that is more money for the military than all of the rest of the country stood together. so you'd think in this the date that we have, that the pentagon could chip in a few bucks and cut some spending. secretary gates believes they can. this week, i'm sorry, this weekend the republicans wanted to raise spending for t

but i did write the book "inside the mind of scott peterson" and you'll remember the way he carried onom he had killed and his unborn child connor. it's very odd to carry on a romantic liaison while you're supposedly at death's door thinking about suicide because your granddaughter has been killed in a way you say you don't know how. >> all right, doc, last question. any way to do a sort of psychological profile from afar like this? >> listen, here's the thing, eric. i've been criticized lately and wrongly so about applying what i know about the human mind and forensic psychiatry and psychology to people i haven't met. i don't diagnose these folks. i don't say look, they have manic depression. but the bottom line is when i signed up with fox news, i said, i want to bring this special lens of looking inside the minds to news events. i'm not going to stop doing that. to do that would suggest i can't bring my entire life's work to this enterprise which i insist i will. >> you know what? you do a great job of that. absolutely enjoy having you on all the shows. thank you, dr. keith ablow. c

. >> juliet: jackie waller, similar in some ways to the scott peterson, drew peterson-- >> the husbandwas the last seen, mother of triplets, they had a fight. he says she walked out of his house and never saw her again. >> juliet: they were in the process of divorcing. >> divorcing, and she wanted the divorce and he didn't. she said to family and friends, he's going to kill me. my husband waii have 30 days, 2 days, and the husband, person of interest flipping the bird to people searching for his wife and he is an individual. on my show tonight talk about the fact that he has a history with another woman. and you have to watch my show to watch, you know, what's going on with this guy. but drew peterson, also, they're saying that a court ruled that his threats to his third wife, kathleen savio who was drown is not admissible. what goes on in consumers, almost like you hide the truth. you'll investigate this on your show, justice with judge jeanine, and a repeat at midnight. you're looking lovely. >> as do you, thank you. >> juliet: junior high students getting drug tested and about this,

think about scott peterson, how long he was free until they brought him in. >> right, right. >> claytonoted the bill for, 147,000 for her defense and seems like she could be getting deals left and right, money deals and word this morning of the prosecutor-- the defense attorney jose baez coming to new york, maybe landing tv deal, other endorsement deals. >> possibly staying at mandarin oriental at the bar with mark geragos, all sorts of rumors going on. >> and isn't that a sad commentary on the world we live in, the celebrity of criminals in our society. make no mistake, she is a criminal, and convicted of four counts of lying, and her daughter was missing. can the taxpayers who paid for her defense attorneys be reimbursed? can the taxpayers be reimbursed for the cost of prosecutions? the truth is yes. at the end of the day it's only for a small amount because remember she was acquitted of murder one. she was acquitted of the more serious charges, so, the money that the state can recoup from her a minimal and now the lawyers are looking for money for experts, we had to pay this one, tha

. >> host: scott peterson is the executive director of the streamline sales tax governing board which represents states in their efforts to get sales tax collected by internet companies. gautham nagesh is a technology reporter with "the hill. "if you'd like to read what he writes, hill.com. gentlemen, thank you for being on "the communicators." >> guest: thank you. >> coming up next, representatives of the drug enforcement administration and other agencies on counternarcotics efforts in afghanistan. after that, former pakistani president musharraf, then we're live with president obama as he addresses the national conference of the national council of la raza, and later the senate returns at 2 eastern for a period of general speeches follow bed later by debate and votes on judicial nominations. >>> also today on the c-span networks a discussion on the political transition in egypt. you'll hear from a member of the country's supreme council of the armed forces, the group that's been overseeing egypt's transition to democracy since the removal of former president hosni mubarak. he'll dis

scott peterson is on death row in california and it was never determined exactly how his wife laci andn child conner died. there's enough evidence for each side to argue how it happened. the state in peterson argued it and in other cases and here the state argued, you know what, the duct tape, the chloroform, in all likelihood that's how she died. give the jury something they can really sink their teeth into. even though a medical examiner cannot be certain. >> the defense was not able to make arguments about all ledged sexual molestation. do you think jurors will hold that against the defense, eventually failing to deliver on this key promise? >> they may. so jurors for the most part, they follow the rules. they do the right thing. however, by saying that in his opening, jose baez planted a seed that may resonate with some jurors. and he still was able to talk about his function in the anthony family. so some juror, even though they're not supposed to consider it, may still do so. >> extraordinary moment inside that courtroom yesterday when the prosecutor listening to the defense atto

host: i just want to add we got a tweet from scott king -- guest: the peterson institute is a private research institution and everyone has different views. i would acknowledge -- the beauty is in the eyes of the beholder -- my colleagues of the institute have done work that shows the gains of international trade and investment to the u.s. economy can be as much as $1 trillion a year, about 10% or a little bit less of our current gdp. so, the benefits of trade are large and widely distributed. everyone in this room, everyone who is listening right now, even those against globalization can go to the store and benefit from it because of access to better and cheaper products. in fact, this day and age i would argue it is going to be almost impossible to close ourselves up from globalization. i believe that the only alternative, since of the gains are large and widely distributed but the costs are heavily concentrated, and certain people like the previous caller pay a heavy price -- which is they lose their job -- then the government has an obligation if they want to pursue these policies