and joining me is my colleague scott rockstro thanks for coming in scott this is so interesting because obviously this exhibition was shown first at the national portrait gallery in london last year then went on to paris and that was of course before anyone had ever even seen leaving leaving neverland which premiered just now in january now there is practically no mention no reference to any of these sexual abuse allegations at the time even though they had been around obviously for a very long time as is all this finger pointing at the museum in bonn just a bit misplaced yeah i think so i mean i don't think you can blame the museum that it's opening the u.s. this exhibit now at a time where these new allegations of made public and that's what everyone's talking about and they've made the argument i think it's a justify one that this isn't an exhibit praising or celebrating michael jackson and it's not really even about a right it's about his it's not even about his work it's about the sort of impact that he has had that michael jackson's had on pop culture and and that impact of course

and scott rockstro has joined me in the studio thanks for coming in scott's you're just back from jerusalem and the conference that's an incredible output of compelling series that we've been observing coming out of his relatives were background as to why they're so successful yeah i think israel is that they've taken all the disadvantages they have been a small country not having very much money and they've done it to their advantage so israel doesn't have any sound stages for example so all their shows they have to shoot on location and that gives the shows a real sense of real is a real sort of gritty realism and then because they don't have the money to spend on special effects they've got to focus on on character so israeli television writers spent a lot of time developing characters going really really deep in the in the plots and i think that is reflected i mean you can see that in a series. like like you know it's got a sense of authenticity because it comes directly from the character who created it this is a show about israeli commandos who goes undercover in a palestinian terrori