i think -- one thing we know about scott shafer is, he has, you know, he has ties to ohio. they want to do well in this state here in new jersey, new york. but they also want to be able to move down the coast and i think the visibility of being in the acc can help them be able to accomplish that. >> chris: new jersey/new york area. pennsylvania's not far away. important recruiting turf for both of these programs. the irish have a long history of coming into the state of new jersey and grabbing players. hunt pump fake. fires far side incomplete. five notre dame turnovers, but syracuse able to convert them into just six points. that was the pick six and they missed the point after. >> kirk: first quarter alone, two turnovers that they weren't able to do anything with. i mean -- and we talk -- if you are going to hang with notre dame, one thing you got to do is capitalize, if everett golson is going to give you the fooft ball. you got to take edadvantage of those chances and they weren't able to do that. >> chris: golson is a perfectionist. 32 of 39, 362, four touchdowns -- bu