scott wagner, bob casey, and even at the congressional elections, we saw this week when wagner firste out, he was like, "i'm trump light." this week he said, "well, we have our own styles. we'll tell our own stories." could be dangerous. gillespie in virginia, trump came out and said, "he didn't hug me closely enough." how does scott wagner walk this line that he doesn't get gillespied, he's not too -- he wasn't trump enough or he was too much trump, and then he loses. what to do? >> i think one of the things you find, two years ago we thought it was going one way. two years today, now we find it. and two years from now, it'll be in a lot different spot. i think that the trump phenomenon is gonna get you a really strong 36% of the vote. so the question is, how do you get in elections, the key is 50% plus 1. and i don't think the heavy trump message is gonna get it. so i don't think wagner -- i think scott wagner and company took it to drop this past weekend. >> is bobby casey a little bit more -- >> i think casey's in a better spot. i wouldn't be surprised over the next week if you s