minutes then we have a discussion with melissa who is vice president poverty to proermts program tp scott winship project directorer at the joint economic committee and then maria who is plofser of university of wisconsin. let's begin with chris. thank you. >> does that do anything? is there we go. okay. okay. that's a good idea. there we go. all right. sorry. so i would acknowledge my co-authors but i only have 15 minutes. so i'm not going to do that. but i'm -- you would think sort of adding an additional author to a paper would decrease the totals amount of effort that goes into the content. but it turns out that that -- that equation is not quite accurate. but i want to acknowledge a couple of people one is luke schaeffer the lead author on this paper i shamelessly stole almost all of his slides i'm presenting today. then also jane waldfogel who -- when you have ten co-authors getting them all on the phone, getting them to all agree on something is herk ewe lean task and jane was the best that anybody could be. we're talking about our plan to provide a universal child allowance to reduce pove

look, i think scott winship is going to be the panel and have a very different perspective on it. i foumd his view of poverty trends per suasive when i read it. i would go from these things aren't working better to the conclusion we don't need to do anything additional. because i do think there's a lot we can still do on child poverty and some of these proposals people are talking about even if you take the more upt mystic view. >> bonny, i wanted to come back to some of your comments and link them to olivia's points. i think mostly you were focusing on children. i think that's the way of looking it at the case for this kind of intervention. and so first of all i just want to check who that was and an appropriate summary and invite you to thing about the alternative ways you can spend the money. if you're interested in child outcomes and you've got a certain amount of money to spend, then it becomes an empirical question, doesn't it? whether to give cash to the family or whether to improve schooling or pre-k or parenting program or create more subsidized work. so think about cathy