, if scottland wants to leave, if there was a vote to leave the eu, even though scottland vote today remain in the eu would not favor a second independence referendum. that was very, very clear from that. >> a few hands are going up. >> just a very quick question in terms of vote and make it relevant to them. >> yes. >> can you el us tangible benefits to individuals and families in scottland of remaining in the uk -- i mean, eu? [laughter] >> the latter is employment. hundreds of thousands of people in scottland come, the opportunity to move around the eu to secure employment in other parts of the eu, the opportunity to pay lower prices within a household than would otherwise be the case. i think these economic arguments are the ones that are the strongest and i also believe that we are safer, more secure, we have more influence as part of the eu, the eu in scottland has been positive for remote island community. for example, a lot of specifics there. i think people's lives in scottland have been enhanced by part of the eu. i don't, on the other hand, accept that they would be less s

across the european union area, and anybody who wishes to come to scotland, live, work, study in scottlandould have to go through the same sorts of checks? >> essentially, yes. immigration is popular because first of all it's recognized as being economically beneficial. ever since the second world war, immigration has been limited and been managed and the voters have been reassured by consecutive governments that that's the case and, in fact, every single mainstream political party agrees in principle that immigration must be managed and limited. within the eu, we cannot manage or limit immigration. so what i'm saying is that what has held sway since the second world war was the right policy, that policy has been undermined by our membership at the eu and that if you are a dentist or a doctor from beijing, you have to wait in line behind a n non-skilled worker from poland. that's not helping our skills gap in scotland. >> we saw an example today about prime minister's question -- sco what we're observing is the uk government not particularly acting benevolently toward them and forcing a de