chinese -american, asian-american students that are leading universities claiming they have often faced sdrimen in aer to quotas and policies to keep their numbers down. so all of these can be found in, all of these subjects can be found discussed at length in my book. if you'll excuse me, i'm going to get some water. >> in comparison to some other minorities in america, especially african-americans, asian-americans are considered politically apathetic. i was wondering if, a, you think that is true and, b what the reasons do you think for this political apathy? >> well, i think what distinguishes my book from others i do not believe chinese have been politically apathetic. there's a perception out there. but when i delved into the subject i found that the -- the material out there really surprised me, that the chinese were very active, often, in writing letters to politicians, lobbying to their causes. protesting in the streets, a and -- and there was this whole body of litigation that you can find, you know, in places like the national archives, which is very much part of our legal history, an