how do you make this all work, not just for this year and not just for 17, but if sealaska is saying they are going to need 30 years and you are suggesting that you're going to be able to have 62 million board feet, how does this all pencil out? >> it starts by, the folks in alaska are working together, the state, sealaska to folks on the tongass and folks from the mental health trust to be able to look at how we can have really and all lands approach so that there's going to be x amount that's available for the industry. and actually work together. this is something that you get sick we should have been doing a better job in the past. however, we are looking at how we can do a better job as we move forward. and then based on that to be able to have the coordination between the programs. but it's essential that we are able to produce. and i wouldn't be up here telling you that without any question. i believe this approach that overtime to transition to the young growth is the solution to be able for us to continue to provide the integrated wood products industry in southeast alaska.

>> well, it starts by there is -- the folks in alaska are sealaska, the folks on the tsongas and folks from the mental health trust to be able to look at how we can have really an all hands approach so that there is going to be x amount that's available for the industry and actually work together and this is something that you could say we should have been doing a better job in the past. however, we are looking at how we can do a better job as we move forward. then based on that, to be able to have the coordination between the programs. but it's essential that we are able to produce and i wouldn't be up here telling you that without any question, i believe this approach that over time to transition to the young growth is the solution to be able for us to continue to provide the integrated wood products industry in southeast alaska. yes, we are going to have to continue to have the bridge timber. we are also going to have to be moving forward with some young growth to be able to start giving operators the chance to be able to explore markets with that young growth. so that is our course