joining us now, sean egan, founder and managing director of egan jones. sthawn, -- sean thanks for comig on the program. >> thank you. >> >> susie: tell us why your firm decided to down grade the u.s. credit rating. >> put iting on anything watch as of march 1st. we've been looking at it closely for the past year. basically we down graded because the debt to gdp for the u.s. has reached the point where we had to take enaction. in comparison, canada has a 35% roughly debt to gdp and the u.s. has about a 98% debt to gdp. got to the point where we felt as though we owed it to our institutional investor clients and we only serve institutional investors. that they needed to know how we felt about issuing the report. >> susie: do you think that the s&p ratings agency or moodies will follow your lisa in this respect? >> i'm not quite sure. they're seeing the same things we are. if there is substantial progress with the talks, they might take action. but actually, there are two separate issues. one is the raising of the debt ceiling so that bills can be paid. anot