and sean karen is a director at west monroe technology infrastructure and operations practice here toe security measures that you must take to make your business safe. thank you for coming on the program. >> thank you. >> scott, let's start with you. i think for a lot of people they think i'm just not getting around to this because i'm overwhelmed by it going to cost too much money or take too much time. what can somebody do? >> a lot of time just best practices sharing where the risks and vulnerabilities are. it's important that they back up on a daily basis. if not daily, at least weekly in case they're hacked. but best practice is even to avoid avoid avoid phishing attacks. alerts employees not to click on the attachment because it could download malware and cause all kinds of havoc. >> how often do you bring this up with your employees? what examples do you have to give them. >> if it looks convincing, it's real. i tell them if there's any sounds of suspicion, do not click on the attachment, rather go directly to the url, the website of your bank or whatever else you may be checki

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