cnn's cybersecurity reporter sean lingus joins us now in washington. gn is considered so severe, the cyber espionage campaign that president biden brought it up with chinese president xi when the two met in peru last weekend. and yet, according to his national security advisor, jake sullivan, it doesn't sound like much if any, progress was made right, kayla this is a really thorny issue because if we're being honest, u.s. >> intelligence agencies absolutely carry out this type of espionage against chinese targets. however, the scale of what we're talking about in this case is really startling. every major u.s. telecommunications provider, at&t and verizon is believed to be targeted and, you know, certainly biden is going to raise this with xi jinping. but it's more probably in the sense of we see what you're doing and, you know, it's not necessarily off limits, but it's not appreciated because this is we're talking about, as you said, potentially spying on the phone calls of president elect trump and his vice president elect, jd vance, as well. and we k

sean lingus, cnn washington. >> the menendez brothers will face a judge monday as they fight to be releasedconvicted of killing their parents. the case has drawn renewed public interest since the release of a hit netflix show for lyle and erik menendez from celebrities. cnn's camila bernal has more on this status. >> hearing is the latest step in the brothers bid to freedom. after the los angeles county district attorney recommended their resentencing. >> it is the first time that we'll see them in nearly 30 years. after they were convicted and sentenced to life in prison for the killing of their parents, and it is nearly 30 years later that this judge will also decide what happens, whether they appear in person or virtually. it is likely that they will appear virtually and it is a hearing that will start at 10:30 a.m. at van nuys courtroom. here in the los angeles area. the judge also setting very strict rules around what happens in this hearing. there will be no cameras and no cell phone. in fact, the cell phones will be sealed in bags. journalists will be allowed to attend, but only 16 m

sean lingus, thank you so much. let's talk more about all this. let's bring in cnn political and national security analyst david sanger. he's a white house and national security correspondent for the new york times. david, you wrote contributed to the writing in this article for the new york times so this is very sophisticated. this chinese hacking operation. so what do we believe the hackers were able to find out as they retrieved some of this information well, frederick the thing that is most astounded american officials who have been watching this, i think basically 2 or 3 things. >> first, the chinese hackers were in the american telecom system for probably a year before they were detected, and they were really only detected because microsoft, which is not a telecom provider noticed that some of the internet addresses that they were seeing on chinese sites that were closely linked to this ministry of state security intelligence unit that was doing the hacking, seemed to resolve back at verizon and at&t and other um, telecom makers. >> then whe

sean lingus, thank you so much. all right. let's talk more about all this with ralph pilling. he is the director of threat intelligence for secureworks counter threat unit. ralph, good to see you. so what do we know about how these hacking groups operate, how they coordinate with the chinese government? is it independent of the chinese government or involved with it's a it's a very complex situation. >> so the chinese cyber activity this past year has continued to track consistently with previous secureworks observation. it can be broadly categorized as information theft for either political, economic or military gain. and there are distinct hacker groups supporting a range of foreign and domestic intelligence objectives supporting both military and civilian civilian intelligence agencies in china this particular group saw typhoon their tactics underscore china's long standing playbook of patience, precision and deep infiltration into critical systems like we've just heard being discussed there. and while we do have some recent direct insight into some of their activities, thi

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