even involve talking about drugs they involve building strong and bitter communities all right sean shelley thank you. thank you. now a beauty contest recently held in abidjan was all about natural. snappy 29000 was crowned in the ivory coast it's the 2nd edition of the competition and this is when it was cecilia. overnight as say the contest is aimed at scent of grating natural hair. in a moment i'll be talking to a woman who has written and commented on the subject of african hair but 1st let's listen to the 1st run up off miss nappy 29000 people at metro girls of beautiful to no need to do all these things to o'hare straightening using chemicals we have beautiful naturally. my guests today is cassie and lauren she's a musician and polish and has written a book for children in the black so i asked for a welcome to the efficacy and so so so we've seen that they you know sent a break that idea of natural hair but yes not without controversy where do you stand on that well for me natural hair the symbol of brazilians and a symbol of power and as the black panther party for example in the sev