sean smoot, followed by tracy mears. >> thank you, madam co-chair. i have two questions. one, for you, dr. eastman. first of all, thank you for interrupting your vacation to participate in testifying before the task force. if you know -- >> you're welcome. my wife is watching that, thank you. >> thank you, mrs. eastman. doctor, if you know, what would be the cost on a per officer basis to equip them with a downed officer kit as you described in your testimony and the requisite training to use that kit? >> yes. so, you know cost, it depends on scale, right? so if you go large-scale, you're going to talk about less than, way less than $50 an officer. i think, it would be up to the manufacturers of that equipment and those companies to deal with us on a scale pricing. if we're talking about a nationwide program i think that price would fall significantly. we're looking at nearly a million law enforcement officers in the united states. in terms of the training, we don't exactly know how long the to train people for it. it is my belief we can do this in couple of hours. in the

sean smoot, nold by tracy mears. >> i have two questions. one for you, dr. eastman.thank you for interrupting your vacation to testify before the task force. >> you're welcome. i hope my wife is watching that. >> thank you. thank you mrs. eastman. doctorrers, if you know what the coast on a per-officer basis to equip them with a downed officer kit as you described in your testimony and the requisite training to use that kit? >> yes. costs -- depends on scale. if you go large scale, you're going to talk about less than 50 -- way less than $50 an officer. i think it would be up to the manufacturers of that equipment and those companies to deal with us on a scale pricing. if we're talking about a nationwide program, i think that price would follow significantly. we're looking at near lay million law enforcement officers in the united states. in terms of training, we don't exactly know how long to train people for. it's my belief we can do this in a couple of hours. in the dallas police department we have a multimodallity training program where we start the officers with

so we will begin our questioning with sean smoot. >> thank you mr. chairman. i want to thank the panel for their very compelling testimony, all three of you did a very nice job framing the issues. i want to go back and talk -- ask a question of dr. miller. we have heard a lot of testimony with regard to procedural justice, both external procedurallity and internal procedural justice within the departments, and i noticed in your testimony that you indicated the greatest source of stress was organizational for police officers. i'm wondering if you can perhaps give us some insight how procedural justice being instituted within departments might be helpful in that regard. >> well, i want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to discuss something that i didn't have room to fit into my five-minute presentation so you gave me the perfect opening. this is a concept from organizational psychology, the difference between what is called v-transcribetive justice and procedural justice. let's see you and i have a dispute and we go to an arbitrator to decide the disput

my name is sean smoot. i'm the director and chief counsel for the police benevolent protector association and the treasurer of national police association of organizations. i've spent the last 25 years of of my professional life representing the interests of police officers in departments as large as the city of chicago and as small as a city like rochester, illinois. i share my colleagues hope and look forward to working with other members of the task force in coming up with some practical recommendations for the president that can be shared, that can, i think, attain the goal that all of us have which is improving safety for everyone, law enforcement officers, citizens, and look forward to working with other members of the task force. >> hi, everybody. my name is connie rice. i'm about to lose my microphone. my name is connie rice and i am a civil rights attorney who is based out in l.a. my specialty is police reform. my biggest project has been with lapd and i have good news to report on that front. we a

i'm going to start out the question with brittney followed by sean smoot. >> thank you very much foryour testimony. my question is for lieutenant eastman. can you hear me? >> yes, ma'am, i can. >> thank you so much. i really appreciate your testimony and others regarding training for hemorrhage control and other trauma instances. my question is really about the policy surrounding that. so, if the training is available, i'm wondering how we can help to man date and expect officers use it if the force is -- we saw a failure to provide to mayor rice in cleveland and for antonio martin in missouri where i'm from. so i'm wondering once that training is fully provided how do we create policy around ensuring that is providing even to potentially the victim of officers legal use of force. >> that's a great question. >> i think the answer is when you train people to do this, we haven't seen -- in my own experience, i have been a part of unfortunately stefrl uses of deadly force as a part of the s.w.a.t. team where even members of the team where i could move to get to the victim were deploying

sean smoot and then wrapping up with the chief. sean, quickly. >> one of the things that we've heard over the course of the day -- first of all, thank you for testifying. i appreciate what you and your members do for us every day. there arecy lot of people in the community that you don't understand what the police do how they do it and why they do it the way they do. and so my question for you, to any of you is if you could identify one department, one jurisdiction, one program that you're aware of that does it right, that has -- makes that explanation to the public in the right way. >> i'm going to say las vegas. you know my sheriff was very pra active. we saw that. we saw the shooting happening and weren't quite sure what to do about it. reaching out to resources like the doj i think are vital. to come in and help reset the scale to zero so to speak and get you back on the right road. we've done very well with it. i think, you know, also it's also habit in our area of commands if there is a shooting our command staff comes out, t

sean smoot. >> i sensed there wasn't another question so i'm going to ask dr. wexler. it sounds a lot like what officer smith is talking about when he says take a leap of faith or do the right thing for the right reason. what he's really talking -- i think he's a little -- i think what he's really talking about is adaptive leadership. and leadership. and so what is perp doing to accentuate leadership models like officer smith on the side of management? >> probably not enough, but i think -- i think it is leadership. you know, probably the biggest challenge -- i want to pick up your question but what jim pasco's comment was, how do you change the dynamic here? i think the best way to change it is with examples. when people see the benefit. officers don't get laid off in sacramento when labor and management work together. in camden they work together and they get an agreement and contract. when officers and management work together in prince georges county, lives get saved. when the fop and napo agree to the mandatory wearing of seat belts, lives will be saved because pe