sean smoot followed by tracie mears. >> thank you very much. i have two questions, one question for your dr. eastman. first of all, thank you for interrupting your vacation to participate in testifying for the task force. >> you're welcome. my wife is watching that. thank you. >> thank you, mrs. eastman. doctor, if you know, what would be the cost on a per officer basis to equip them with a downed officer kit as you described in your testimony and the training to use that kit? >> yes, so, cost, it depends on scale. if you go large scale, you're going to talk about less than $50. way less. 50 dollars an officer. i think it would be up to the manufacturers of that equipment and those companies to deal with us on a scale pricing, but if we're talking about a nationwide programming, i think that price would fall significantly. we're looking at nearly a million law enforcement officers in the united states. in terms of the training, we don't exactly know how long to train people for. it's my belief we can do this in a couple of hours. in the dallas

. >> sean smoot. >> mr. chairman.e sheriffs. >> i'm sorry. >> we echo many of my colleague's comments. the one cautionary point i would make is that -- and i agree the full funding for c.o.p.s. we also agree it's a program and office and operation that needs to have a better profile. we do just put a cautionary note out there that as we drive for ap higher goal of officers and deputies on the force and in the field, there's a lagging cost to that. we all have to be very sensitive to that at the end of the day. what is that cost? who has to pay it? obviously from the sheriff's perspectives as they are locally)+t elected, those costs often come down to the county. we put a cautionary tale up there. while we support it, we recognize most importantly that there is that trailing cost factor. >> thank you all very much. sean smoot. >> i'd like to first of all thank the panel for their very good testimony this afternoon and thank all of you who were able to travel to be with us.6q and chief, thank you for making the effort t

i am sean smoot, the director and police council for the police organization of illinois and the chair of police organizations. over the last 20 years i have dedicated my life to advocating on behalf of rank and file police officers. i am especially excited about the panel today because i came up as a student of criminal justice at the time that community policing was really starting to filter out in the country. and starting my career working with law enforcement as a practitioner and later on as an advocate i have had the opportunity to see the ebbs and flows of community policing and departments of all sizes as large as chicago and small as a place like granite city, illinois. and on the national level. so i am really excited and encouraged and i have to say i would like to express my gratitude to president obama for empanelling this task force. i think it was a courageous thing to do and the right thing to do. i am honored to serve with my colleagues on the task force and look forward to closing out the listening session today with a look toward the future and my look is quite hope

. >> good morning, i'm sean smoot, i'm the director and police council for the police benevolent andational police organizations. over the last 20 years, i've dedicated my professional life to advocating rank and file police officers in various forms, including before legislative bodies in court and at the bargaining table. i'm especially excited about the panel today because i came up as a student of criminal justice at the time that community policing was really starting to filter out into the country. and starting my career working with law enforcement as a practitioner and later on as an advocate, i've had an opportunity to see the ebbs and the flows of community policing and in departments of all various sizes as large as chicago and as small as a place like granite city illinois. and on a national level. so i'm really excited and encouraged and i have to say, i would like to express my gratitude to president obama for impanelling this task force. i think it was a courageous thing to do and it certainly was the right thing to do. and he put together a tremendous team. i'm honore

. >> sean smoot. >> i sensed there wasn't another question so i'm going to ask dr. wexler. it sounds a lot like what officer smith is talking about when he says take a leap of faith or do the right thing for the right reason, what he's really talking -- i think he's a little -- i think what he's really talking about is adaptive leadership. and leadership. and so what is perf doing to accentuate leadership models like officer smith on the side of management? >> probably not enough, but i think -- i think it is leadership. you know, probably the biggest challenge -- i want to pick up your question but what jim pasco's comment was, how do you change the dynamic here? i think the best way to change it is with examples. when people see the benefit. officers don't get laid off in sacramento when labor and management work together. in camden they work together and they get an agreement on a contract. when officers and management work together in prince georges county, lives get saved. when the fop and napo agree to the mandatory wearing of seat belts, lives will be saved because p