tell us any -- >> like the bradley foundation, which supports a lot of conservative efforts, the searle foundation, which does as well, and from some individual donors who give money to conservative intellectual efforts, people like paul singer. >> what does it meant that you've gotten the bradley prize and that $250,000 check? >> yes. well, it's awfully nice. the bradley prize is a -- is an annual award given by the bradley foundation, which is a philanthropic foundation based in wisconsin that -- the award is to be given to people who the selection committee that the foundation chooses thinks have advanced the cause of protecting american institutions or strengthening american institutions. they've been giving it now for 10 years. it's given to four people each year and i'm one of the four this year. >> let's go back to some things you said earlier. first of all, here's leon kass, who appeared on our call-in show in 2002. i assume at that point he was starting out at the white house. >> yes. >> and did you start with him? >> i was working for him, yes. >> ok, let's watch what he says.