>> one of the individuals was familiar with the sears tower, had worked in chicago, and had been thereia, 'cause one of my concerns was that we not over-hype things. that, you know, this is, this is another 9/11 cell, that they're ready, willing, and able to die and had means of accomplishing their attacks. and so, i described it as an, that this was an aspirational group rather than an operational group. in terms of the plans, it was more aspirational than, than operational. >> i think the public and the media began to realize very quickly that this was just not a strong case. that it was a weak case. >> it looks like these guys were actually asking for material support from what they thought was al-qaeda. these, these guys couldn't buy boots on their own? they don't sound like very sophisticated or, or, you know, effective operators. >> these guys didn't have, you know, the ability to, you know, blow up anything, let alone the sears tower. >> did you find any explosives, weapons...? >> and you raise a, a good point. you know, you know, our philosophy here is that we try to identify p