firstly, secretary sebelius, i want to thank you for your work on the aca.thousands of people to be alive tomorrow and in the arc of their lives are changed because of the affordable care act. thank you for that. my question is, you are a sea of people wandering in the city enemy other areas whose lives have fallen through cracks of life. public health is where the big bang for the buck is introducing the cost for health care in this country to vastly improve outcomes and to change the inequalities within of this country. can you share with us how you see the low cost high impact public health interventions that can dramatically affect and improve health care in this country and health outcomes? how they see this thing and committed? we know what we need to do and how to do it. thank you. >> well, i think first of all you are right, and there are some pieces of this that clearly need further iteration. i am deeply troubled and disturbed by the result of the supreme court decision on medicaid, now we are growing a sort of two-state solution with our lots of p

kathleen sebelius, former u.s. secretary of health and human services, msnbc political analyst michael steele, former chairman of the rnc and jonathan allen, a reporter with vox. okay, i was going to be -- we were going to be talking about donald trump and his debate performan performance. these comments about megyn kelly, i have to go around the table, starting with you, michael steele. >> why are you starting with me? >> mr. former republican chairman. is this a fatal blow? >> it's hard to say if it's a fatal blow. we thought john mccain comments were a fatal blow. we thought the comments past in the past were a fatal blow. i think this is an unnecessary -- i don't get the logic. okay, i'm using that term, of going after megyn kelly. megyn kelly is not running for office. megyn kelly is a reporter. we get the whole thing with the party and reporters, and candidates and reporters. this is a fight you don't want to get into. then to make it so personal, it really makes it harder for people i think going forward to

sebelius said it was all about dr. melgen that rieting. tom harkin als took a meeting and told the fbi that he felt . melgen was, in ct, cheating medicare. menendez and melgen deny wrongdoing and both filed motions seeking dismissal of all charges. one reason, they allege the fbi and the prosecutors misled the grand jury. they also say an unfair smear about their alleged use of prostitutes is what started the entire investigation. legal exrt brad simo gn. >> there's absolutelyo chance that the case will be dismissed pretrial. >> reporter: prosecutors defended their handling e ing ing of the case by saying they had specific and corroborating prostitution allegations. among the evidence, a black book that appeared to be a ledger of prostitution activities that was in melgen's office. the judge is expected to rule later next month on the respective motions. news 4 new york. >>> lester holt joins us now with a look at what's ahead. >> we have all the headlines of the day including another wild ride on wall street today. things looking up until

. >> in 2013 when then secretary of health and human services kathleen sebelius came on the show to pitch wanted. >> hundreds of thousands of accounts created -- >> hundreds of thousands of people signed up? >> of accounts created which means they're going to go shopping. this is like a kayak site where you might check out what plane you want to get on. >> her answers i felt were so beyond understanding, like, what are you talking about? >> then there this was interview with former secretary of defense donald hums fell, he believe he left him off too easy during the exchange about 200 invasion of iraq. >> in the effort that it took to sell us this. >> that's a little strong. >> okay, in the effort it to the administration to present -- you were selling it, you prepared the positives, you didn't present the negatives. okay, fine. then i moved on. i should have just side there. i lost a lot of sleep on that one. he didn't. >> but rumsfeld's former boss, george w. bush, is one big name who never appeared on the show with stewart. >> i'm willing to throw in if you come on this program complim

. >> sebelius went on jon stewart, got drilled jon stewart grilling nancy ples pelosi. >> jon stewartng the obama re-election. >> jon stewart goes sour on president obama. >> even jon stewart has been hammering at this. >> even jon ste wrt. >> jon stewart want after president obama. >> even daily show host stewart. >> even comedy central's jon stewart. >> if he has lost jon stewart-- i'm just saying. >> jon: what? what are you saying? what happened! (cheers and applause) lost jon stewart. by the way, how often does a dude have to criticize the president before his name legally changes from even jon stewart to unsurprisingly jon stewart. (laughter) all right. none of that stuff worked in proving it, but that's not the end of your search here, howard and other guy whose name escapes me on the show. here's what you could have done, okay. to prove improper collusion, find a memo from me to the president giving the president advice about my area of expertise, communications. like me advising him that americans will only be patient with the war on terror if they are convinced the president

kathleen sebelius is qualified for run but no washington political skills. she had not been here. they had a great plan. it is up ended because he cannot get confirmed because of a tax problem so they abandoned having a ceo of health care. if you look at the problems from the legislation passing, to writing to, to implementing it. they had the right idea and they abandoned it i would argue. >> host: what conclusion do you draw about the debate that went on about various points about whether to go big or go small, get what you can and not hold up the system for the big c comprehensive bill. this is too big with where the economy is. chuck schumer made it very clear how he feels on this. if you look at the history of modern presidents going back the last 50 years, most of the accomplishments in the agenda happen in the first two years and the rest are managing problems or fixes. they were right to do whatever it took, i think, the lesson a new president is going to have from this, and i think it could be the wrong lesson short term, is if you look at obama's success in getting healt

. >> that is the skate when secretary of health and human services kathleen sebelius stops by to discusslout of the obama care website. >> we're going to do a challenge. i'm going to try and download every movie every made, and you are going to try to sign up for obama care and we'll see which happens first. >> okay. >> i think what makes jon stewart so proufl is that he could -- powerful is that he could look at what his own people are doing and saying, hello, what are we doing. and that is important. if you are going to be a pundit, you have to look at everything. particularly if your going be a funny pundit. >> one of the mostin fam ois confrontation comes on march 12th, 2009, when jim cramer takes the hot seat on the biggest financial crises to date. >> how the hell did we end up here, mr. cramer? what happened? >> i don't know. >> i think jon was trying to caption this national sense of anger at everything that happened and so when jim cramer got in that room, he was the embodiment of everything that jon wanted to take down. and boy, did he take him down. >> it feels like we are cap

. >> that's the case when secretary of health and human services kathleen sebelius stops by to discuss rollout of the obamacare web site. >> we'll do a challenge. i'm going to try and download every movie ever made -- [ laughter ] >> -- and you're going try to sign up for obamacare and we'll see which happens first. [ laughter ] >> i think what makes jon stewart so powerful is that he can look at what his own people are doing and say "hello? what are we doing? and honestly that's the important thing if you're going to be a pundit, you have to look at every -- particularly if you're going to be a funny pundit. >> narrator: one of stewart's most infamous confrontations comes on march 12, 2009, when cn cnbc "mad money" host jim cramer takes the seat in the wake of one of the biggest american financial crises to date. >> how the hell did we end up here, mr. cramer? what happened? >> i don't know. i don't know. >> i think john was trying to channel this national sense of anger at everything that happened so when jim cramer got in that room, he was the embodiment of everything that jon wante

. >> that's the case when secretary of health and human services kathleen sebelius stops by to discussoll-out of the obamacare website. >> we're going to a challenge. i'm going to try and download every movie ever made. and you are going to try to sign up for obamacare. we'll see which happens first. >> what makes jon stewart so powerful is that he can look at what his own people are doing and say hello, what are we doing? and honestly that's the important thing if you're going to be a pundit you have to sort of look at everything. particularly if you're going to be a funny pundit. >> one of his most infamous confrontations comes on march 12 2009 when cnbc mad money host jim cramer takes the hot seat in the wake of one of the biggest financial crisis to date. >> how the hell did we end up here? what happened? >> i don't know. i don't know. >> i think jon was trying to channel this kind of national sense of anger at everything that happened and so when jim cramer got in that room, he was the embodiment of everything that jon wanted to take down. and boy, did he take him down. >> it feel