. >> so sebrina, how much and specifically in what way should a person's private life and views outside the office effect his role inside the office? >> i agree with sullivan. i don't think it should effect it. ike seemed to have a lot to bring to the table from a business perspective. he was one of the authors of java script which drives the internet. he's been with the company for years when it was netscape. there's a lot he clearly had to offer and, look, i can't stand a lot of the things that are said about the wage gap but i still sign in to facebook every day. the leader of a company is just simply not going to fit a certain mold of every one of their followers. >> yeah, and bruce, we should mention of course that mr. ike was saying something which at the same time, the president was saying about gay marriage. >> yeah, that's true, david. i think one of the lessons is maybe he didn't know he was going to become a ceo. when you become a ceo you're a public figure so you're then subject to these type of things. so you become a public figure and another thing is i don't understand --