secondari secondarily, i think that our principle is not, once you get past a certain level it doesn't automattic become coercive per s, but when you get a program and you're basically telling states that we're going to take away $3.3 trillion over the next 10 years, that it's not coercive you should the statute. we're not saying this is an area where it's gong to be easy to draw the line. we're saying it's exceptionally important to draw that line and this is the place where it ought to be easily so establish a beachhead, say coercion matters, there's three factors that make it obviously coercive as any legislation as you have ever seen, then you will have effectively told congress there are limits and laid down some rules. >> as the chief has said, i can ask this. he doesn't always check. as i recall your theory, it is that to determine whether something is coercive, you coere side how much you're threatened with losie ining or offered to receive and the other side doesn't matter. i don't think that's realistic. i think, you know, the old jack benny thing, your money or your life, an