the secret service. it's as simple as that. secret service cell phones never produced more important evidence than what those cell phones produced on january 6th and the secret service as deleted all of it. the secret service has been lying about this since thursday when the story broke about the secret service, and the secret service spokesperson insisted that there were no -- there was no malicious intent in the leading those text messages, and that any text messages that were relevant to the january 6th committee's investigation or certainly preserved in some form, and would be easily delivered to the committee. today, washington post reports the u.s. secret service has determined it has no new texts to provide congress relevant to its january six investigation, and that any other texts its agents exchanged around the time of the 2021 attack on the capitol were purged, according to a senior official briefed on the matter. the secret service's first reaction to all of this last week was to lie. when th

inauguration day, and that the secret service director might be asked to do things that no other secret service director in history ever had to do. >> someday, and that they may never, come out ask you to do a service for me. >> whatever the specific words were and donald trump's ten minute interview with james marie before making director of the secret service, the subtext of it was, that line from the godfather. someday, and that's a man never come, i will call upon you to do a service for me. did james murray do a service for donald trump by overseeing the deletion of all the secret service text messages on january six? the january six committee can answer all of these questions by issuing a specific personal subpoena to james murray for his under oath testimony, in a separate subpoena to dr. gee james murray for all of his secret service text messages, on january six. today, the secret service told the committee that they had found exactly one text, that is relevant, to the committee's investigation. out of the thousands more texts that the secret service now says we're deleted. the

the secret service. it's as simple as that. secret service cell phones never produced more important evidence than what those cell phones produced on january 6th and the secret service as deleted all of it. the secret service has been lying about this since thursday when the story broke about the secret service, and the secret service spokesperson insisted that there were no -- there was no malicious intent in the leading those text messages, and that any text messages that were relevant to the secret service had not yet figured out how to protect the president of the united states in a motorcade. the text messages for january 5th and january 6th, 2021, that the secret service deleted, under director james murray, are the most important text messages in the history of the secret service. it's as simple as that. secret service cell phones never produced more important evidence than what those cell phones produced on january 6th and the secret service as deleted all of it. the secret service has been lying

the secret service also knows those are the most important text messages anyone at the secret service has ever sent or received, or deleted. the secret service spokesman, giving that strangely combative public statements tonight is an echo of the gross lack of professionalism described by the inspector general in his letter about the secret service. as of tonight, the secret service is asking americans to believe that after january 6th, the secret service decided, it was time to issue new cell phones, to every agent who was working in washington on january 5th and sixth, trying to update them, new equipment. and time to lose the information on the most important cell phones that the secret service has ever possessed, the phones that they were using on january 5th, and january 6th. and the secret service spokesperson tonight says that the inspector general is not telling the truth about this. letters like this, from inspectors general, are rare, and they are important. it was a letter like this, exactly like this, from an inspector general to the intelligence committees, that began the

the same for the secret service. and my own experiences and also talking to people throughout washington, there's a political lean to many secret service agents, many of them conservative in their politics, many of them very, very fond of trump. and we know tony ornato was moved from secret service to a high profile west wing job, a reflection of how close he had grown to the now former president. these are people, people in the secret service detail surrounding the white house today, some of them still very fond of donald trump, and that's why the deletion of these text messages is so outrageous and raises so many questions, as we've been saying all morning. preserving records is a normal matter of course for a typical day, but particularly for these january 5th and january 6th, of the most vital importance. even if routine maintenance was scheduled, it was ten days later, there was plenty of time to stop that. those records should have been preserved. >> mike barnicle, let's ask a difficult question right now. how

in which the inspector general discovered the secret service had deleted all secret text messages sent and received on january 6th. by the end of this week, the inspector general announced that his investigation is now a criminal investigation of the secret service. the january six committee member, we zoe lofgren, broke the news yesterday in an interview with nicole wallace on msnbc that some secret service agents have hired private criminal defense lawyers to represent them in negotiations for their testimony with the january 6th committee. here's what january ex committee member adam kinzinger said about that today. >> now, all of a sudden, you have the secret service members, lawyer-ed up, and not coming in to talk to us. >> kinzinger said that first thing this morning, and in the late afternoon today, the director of the secret service, james marie, finally broke his silence on the worst scandal ever to hit the secret service. after one week of total silence, the director of the secret service issued a written statement, which was, at this point, very difficult to believe. james m

, writing a memo that, whoops, the secret service had erased messages from january 5th and sixth. after this report, service responded to a statement denying wrongdoing, and bristling with a chip on it shoulder hostilities and police unions all the time, with a spokesman writing, quote, the insinuation the secret service maliciously the text messages, following the request, is false. the agency tried to blame a technical error for the failure to retain key documents saying, quote, tied to an effort to upgrade agent cell phones. undeterred, the january six committee issued a formal subpoena to the service to try to recover the documents. today, the agency said, too bad, gone forever. january six committee member, congresswoman stephanie murphy, explain what happened to my colleague, nicole wallace, earlier today. >> what happened, however, is they received for requests from congressional committees on january 16th to preserve records. they had this planned migration for the 25th, i believe, of january. nobody, along the way, stop to think, well, maybe we shouldn't do the migration o

some in the secret service, and certainly that leadership of the secret service, with politically tainted. these were people were working for trump and on his behalf instead of for the institution, and on behalf of their country. it is just sowing further doubt about that. i think that is a long term damage for the secret service as an agency, in terms of what is sort of legal consequences there could be, i am not certain, perhaps, others on the panel know what those could possibly be. you know, if the texts are not recover-able, then there is not much that the archives is going to be able to do to get them. >> andrew, as long as we are talking reputational damage, let's talk about the department of justice. every january 6th hearing is bombshell after bombshell. is this an absolute embarrassment for the department of justice? shouldn't they have revealed a whole lot of these things for the last 18 months and done something about it? >> i am not sure that they should have revealed it, but they certainly should have done something about it. i personally think that it is a bit of an embarra

but there has been a number of scandal where's secret service agents, there was one in 2015 where a secret service agent was sexting an underage person from the white house and actually they got those texts and he faced justice. and carol said there are other examples where they've looked at text messages while on the job and so this whole thing -- >> and this is a day, joe, that would require potentially communicating by text. >> oh, my gosh, of course. >> there is one thing they're doing over the radios but there was a lot of movement. there is key reporting and there is testimony that the president vehemently wanted to be taken to the capitol, which would have ramped the violence up several notches. and the fact that there are no text messages during those very important hours at the time when they were trying to get the president back to the west wing, they might have been sending some warning saying we're working -- i don't know what they were talking about. because we don't have the texts. but they definitely would have texted. >> donald trump's own lawyer said don't take him up to t

reset of secret service phones. and in the process, some text messages were lost. but the question is, when did that happen compared to when the ig asked. the ig says that the u.s. secret service deleted the text messages after the ig asked for records of electronic communications of the events around january 6. the secret service says that that is completely wrong and the secret service deleted the text messages and reset the phones and then, almost a month after it did that, that is when the ig asked for the information. the other thing is, the ig's letter said that many text messages were lost. the statement from the secret service said that that may be true but none of the texts that the ig were seeking were lost. so to some extent, these two statements point passed each other and obviously the members of the generous six committee and the homeland oversight committee are interested in knowing exactly what the facts are. >> you wrote about this issue. you said in your piece that the secret service has had a hist

and then there is the secret service. turning up thousands of documents to the january six committee but none of the potentially missing text from january 5th and january 6th. not one. they say they haven't been able to recover and if they text that were lost during a phone migration. but they are still trying. >> has a secret service in from the committee that these text message that are in question are gone forever? do you know that definitively at. >> i'm not known if any members of the committee have been fully apprised of it. you're asking the question we're asking. we are trying to determine where those text are and whether they can be recovered and retrieved. >> that may be legitimate. but it doesn't fishy. here's the thing. these are text that should be part of the government record. that's why the national archive is going a growing with the federal agencies and officials demanding answers about the missing text. text from the day of one of the worst attacks on our democracy ever. text that could have revealed th

but they are still trying. >> has the secret service >> has a secret service in from informed the committee that the committee that these text message that are in question these text messages in question are gone forever? do you know that definitively are gone forever? do you know that the frenetically yet? >> i have not been fully yet? >> apprised about it. you are i've not been asking the question that we are asking. we are trying to determine where those texts are and whether they can be recovered. >> it may be legitimate, but doesn't fishy, right? here is the thing, these are attacks that should be part of the government record that is not the national archives grows a growing list of federal agencies demanding answers about the missing tax techs from the day of one of the worst attacks and our democracy ever. text that could have revealed the realtime communication of agents around the then president and they are just gone missing? they just can't find them? lost in a phone migration. after congress informed the secret service twice that needed to preserve and produce documents from ja

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i worked very closely with the secret service detail with mike pence.y are incredible law enforcement officers, but i will say this. one thing that i found incredibly chilling when i salt at the january 6th hearing when gray jacobs testified which was a general vise counsel to the president when they talked about that moment and they brought it up. he did say that mike pence's response to the secret service agents was, yes, but you're not the one driving the car, and i found that detail striking to me because that's saying something right there, right? that means that he's like it's not that i don't trust you who has been with me this entire journey during this assignment, but it's more the fact that i -- i don't trust that the person driving the car is not going to drive off to wherever it is, and that goes to a story, you know, that's been told and record by "the washington post" where general kellogg actually went and supposedly spoke to tony arnato and said we're not going to move him. i know you guys. i know what you're capable of. why would he say

and he wanted the secret service to help him. now we know that trump was aware of the fact that much of the mob was armed. trump apparently wanted the secret service to remove the metal detectors at the speech on the ellipse, where he incited the riot. >> wouldn't we saw when those clips replaying where photos provided by the national archives showing the president on the offstage tenth before his speech on the ellipse. you are in some of those photos as well. and i just wanted to confirm that's when you heard the president say, the people war with weapons did not want to hurt them and he wanted the secret service to remove the metal detectors. >> that is. correct >> we also know that the secret service trying to find a way to get trump to the capital. >> when the president said that he would be going to the capital during his speech on the ellipse, the secret service scrambled to find a way for him to go. we know this from witnesses, and the secret service, also, from messages among staff on the presidents national security coun

i want to start with the secret service situation because it's fishy here. of my great producers pulled this piece and she's reporting about the secret service history of using critical records. here's what she wrote. the secret service has had a history of important records disappearing under the cover of night. when a congressional committee was investigating assassination attempts it showed evidence that the secret service received ample warnings and threats before john f. kennedy's death that white supremacists were plan to kill kennedy from tall buildings. the secret service told them the record had been destroyed as part of a normal killing of old archives, days after investigators had requested them. so just as a journalist, do these denials of nothing being fishy, nothing to see here, how do these ring with you? >> well, the situation at the very least right now does not look good at all, but just to back it up for a moment in terms of what donald trump while he was president demanded of his own secret service detail. here's what we know based on con

secret service erased text messages, sent by secret service officials, between january 5 and january 6 of last year, of 2021. that's according to a letter sent to congress by the inspector general for the department of homeland security. a government watchdog that oversees the secret service. importantly, the letter says those text messages were erased after, after they were requested as part of an evaluation of what happened on january 6th being conducted by that government watchdog. the letter notes that the secret service is claiming that the messages were erased as part of a device replacement program. it is important to note that the messages were erased only after they had been requested by the inspector general. and the inspector general also points out in this letter that her office has been repeatedly rebuffed while trying to obtain these records. a spokesman for the secret service responded to the release of this letter tonight, saying we take strong issue with these categorically false claims and he will be responding in detail shortly. well, it's been two and a half hours

position to a political position, back to the secret service, when the secret service is supposed to be apolitical? >> yeah, this is a big question. i know that a lot of agents, you know, are talking about that. it's very hard to maintain your independence when you were a political appointee. i think this is a very unique situation that tony has put the secret service in. they have to defend somebody while they were in a political role, not under the operational control of the secret service. it's very difficult. i want to just take that as an outlier. that is not the norm. so for the viewers, i mean, this is a very individual issue. but i think that, you know, we're seeing the integrity of the secret service be -- come into question now. but i believe in the institutional integrity of the secret service and their motto, worthy in trust and confidence. tony is an outlier in this situation. it is not representative of the women and men every single day that are out there providing that protection to our governmental leaders. >> and i mean, i understand what you're saying all too well

is that normal protocol for secret service agents? how they usually communicate when at work? >> we are just not sure. i think that there are elements of conversation between secret service agents. as i understand it, there are also communications between officials atop and the secret service. i think the committee is still trying to establish what y s been lost and for how many days in january. either way, these text messages and communications could be very key. january five, the day before the capitol attack, the secret service was still trying to finalize their plans for trump and pence. there was some confusion as to whether or not trump was gonna go to the capitol or not. they did not know what pence was going to do. on january six itself, there was even more confusion. trump was going to the capitol. we have this cassidy hutchinson testimony about him desperately wanting to go. meanwhile, mike pence, is he going to get into the vehicle and leave the capitol? there is so much confusion. i think that the select committee wants th

so if there is a credible explanation, the secret service needs to provide it. the normal upgrade that they're talking about would still retain your texts, because they're part of government service, and they're for retention purposes. let's be serious, secret systems. you know what happened on january 6th, and this is going to be the moment in which you're not protecting the evidence that you know might be relevant? also, there's also another problem here, which is, of course, the department of homeland security also exists. it oversees the secret service. it really needs to get out in front of this. this is their component agency. this is the second or third time where the secret service simply says their story isn't true, whoever is complaining, cassidy hutch you know son, whoever. we know the truth. well, that's not good enough anymore. this was an insurrection. they may have a job, a mission, but they actually take an oath of office to protect the constitution. >> john dean, if it does turn out that text messages were deleted, intentionally, for whatever rea

trump criticized the secret service. wondering who is willingo go to for donald trump. >> in a statement -- >> donald trump may end up go to jail. who in the secret service wants to go to jail? >> a spokesman claims some of the data that was lost during a pre-planned devicement program that began on -- >> whatever. >> -- january 2021, before the dhs probe into the insurrection even began. he also notes, the secret service has been fully cooperative with the dhs investigation. >> but hold on. let's take that down because it is nonsense. he -- >> unless -- i wonder who ordered that, if it happened. >> the inspector general ordered copies of those text messages and said they deleted them after the inspector general ordered them. so secret service wants us to believe the inspector general's lie. somebody is lying. somebody needs to be hauled before congress to testify. >> it seems like a huge stretch at best. >> let's bring in nbc news correspondent julia ainsley. she covers the department of justice and the department of ho

when it comes to the secret service? and especially considering your history, and your knowledge of the secret service? >> yes and no. i think the protective detail who gets a very attached personally to the president. and that's not surprising. these are people who are willing to give up their life to protect him. so the fact that they are more than lumps in the room when they are there and most presidents recognize that so this is troubling that that's happening to this agency. but trump is politicizing things causes these kinds of problems. >> so jeffrey, let's talk about rudy giuliani. state level investigation, because a new york judge is ordering rudy giuliani to testify next month. in fulton county, georgia, probe of that, to undermine the 2020 election. how big is that? well, we'll see if he actually testifies now. any lawyer in his right mind would tell rudy to take the fifth. because, rudy is really exposed, especially in the jurisdiction investigation. which, is moving quickly. and, in a very aggressive way. b

and then back to the secret service again. that on its face is something that just raises questions about what is going on at this agency, and why they can't disentangle themselves from this incredibly political environment. they have a really important responsibility, and they need to be able to do that without seeming like they're part of the fray. >> and andrew mccabe, you're the former deputy director of the fbi. how do they recover these messages if in fact they can recover them? and how can they determine if they were actually deleted deliberately? >> that would start, wolf, by identifying the devices in question. so the phones that were taken from these 24 individuals and replaced presumably with new phones. there's all kinds of very detailed forensic analysis you can conduct on those devices to determine if texts were there and if so, are they recoverable, and or were there just an absence of texts during that period. there's also possibilities to pursue that with the carrier, whoever the carrier is who provides servic

the secret service denies deleting any texts maliciously. the subpoena is the first time the panel has publicly targeted an executive branch agency. cnn's katelyn polantz joins us now. what more do we know about 0 how this subpoena came about, the response, and what are the other things the secret service is saying? >> reporter: right, fred, so this is a very fast-moving story. we only learned there may be a problem or confusion around these secret service text messages from january 5th and 6th just three days ago, july 13th. that is when the department of homeland security inspector general which is an independent watchdog conducting its own look into the secret service handling of january 6th, they flagged for capitol hill that there were erased or missing text messages from the secret service and they were -- this inspector general was quite concerned that they weren't getting the cooperation they wanted or at least thought they should have. they told capitol hill, and the ig went to brief all nine members of the house select committee ye

and your knowledge of the secret service? >> yes and no. i think the protective detail gets very attached personally to the president, and that's not surprising. these are people willing to give up their life to protect him. so the fact that they are more than lamps in the room when they're there -- and most presidents recognize that -- >> got it. >> so this is troubling this has happened to this agency, that trump's politicizing things causes these kind of problems. >> jeffrey, let's talk about giuliani, state investigation because a new york judge is ordering rudy giuliani to testify next month in fulton county, georgia, probe of efforts to undermine the 2020 election. how big a development is this? >> well, we'll see if he actually testifies. you know, any lawyer in his right mind would tell rudy to take the fifth because rudy is really exposed especially in the georgia investigation, which is moving quickly and in a very aggressive way by the fulton county district attorney. but, you know, she is -- she is pushing forward

why did the secret service say no? and the reason being is that they did a quick security assessment, could they bring the president up there? the determination was no. the threats were too elevated, the likelyhood was high that violence would erupt and the consequences were too great and that's why the secret service did not bring the president up to the capitol on that day. >> and because we all know that donald trump himself according to the testimony knew there were weapons in the crowd and also did nothing to try to help assist the law enforcement officers trying to protect the capitol at that exact time. david, another thing a secret service source is telling cnn tonight is that agents, i mean this is what jonathan is getting to, that agents often shared stories of trump's anger and saying it's not just plate that is trump would throw and let me play you what we're getting at, what that speaks to. >> there was ketchup dripping down ithe wall and a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the valet had articulated

rare to see the secret service in the spotlight like this. it's happened multiple times throughout the select committee's investigation. it's uncomfortable for them. they took a sworn oath to protect the president and now they find themselves ensnared in the middle of this political investigation but the secret service played such a key role on january 6th, not only in the heated conflict confrontation, they try to take mike pence away . >> one way to clear this up is to have the agents come up and answer questions whether public or private session if you don't want to put them on the stand. they could come and testify under oath. >> i think the secret service would like to position itself as nonpolitical. we are police officers, law enforcement. we are here to protect and serve and we are not going to get involved in the political conversations that may happen around us but the more we hear about january 6th and what was going on, with trump and his inner circle, the secret service did make decisions on that day and perhaps the days leading

where my concerns are, is whether or not the secret service individual members of the secret service were making decisions based on political ideology or based on their belief of what was right and what was wrong. at the end of the day, we rely on our secret service to protect the president physically, not to protect the president politically. we have to get to the bottom of this and understand whether that something that happened here. >> well put. the secret service claimed these text messages were from january 5th and sixth i got erased as part of a device replacement program and none of the texts of the intent inspector general were speaking were lost in the migration. how do they know that that? we will talk about that, the select committee member said this about these missing texts, here it is. >> it is quite crazy that the secret service would end up deleting anything related to one of the more infamous days in american history, particularly when it comes to the role of the secret service. >> are you concerned about why these texts meant went missing? >> i am, to your first po

they have a decorated history with the secret service.ng dragged into this debate. you risk serious fallout from this. they are decent guys. >> two guys i have known. i know them both, and i have the highest amount of respect for them. the secret service isn't going to override a presidential schedule without a specific credible threat. in this case there was. they now there were people trying to get into that event who had weapons. the streets were overrun. they made a good call going back to the white house. dan: can you confirm to my audience the beast thing? i will ask the question. have you ever in your time in the secret service, mogul, moving to the beast. the limo. that's a journalism thing. can you affirm this for my audience. we don't call it the beast? >> it's either the camp david package or the limo. one or the other. >> a professional. it's not the beast. journalists call it that. what's with all the secret meetings between the biden administration and wall street firms? if you've been living with heart disease, reducing cho

the secret service is essential in figuring out what happened. you should have put it out in a retention order across the agency and they should have worked with the i.t. folks to make sure they weren't going to lose and stop the phone transition, if you think four minute that you're going to lose records. i'm not buying this. it maybe they're telling the truth, but it's still speaks to the leadership problem and why, as you said, is it so central to these records? it can tell us the mindset and intentions of the former president, perhaps, before, during and after the violence. when -- people were armed in the crowd? when did they tell them you should not be moving, walking to the capital? did he really keep it secret, his desire to tell the crowd to march? even from his secret service detail? we need to know those things. what was he doing in the downtime while he was watching the violence on january 6th? what was he telling people? they try to move him to a safe place and he said no, they're not going to hurt me. don't move me to the bunker? we

elliott, you walked alongside some top secret service officials. i wonder what your analysis is of the reporting whitney just gave us and what questions it leaves you with. >> so to echo that, poppy, secret service agents and senior officials i worked with at dhs were wonderful law enforcement officials, dedicated to the country and so on. but the secret service for a long time has been plagued by sca scandals going back to prostitution scandals in barack obama's and mike pence's details. what's suspicious here and what a congressional hearing needs to get to the bottom of, if they're migrating data from their telephones, why is at least some of it getting deleted? they were very clear in their statement that none of the requested data by congress has been deleted. but what about other data? something doesn't smell right here and somebody's got to get to the bottom of it. >> can i ask you a broader question here, given your experience, elliott, about whether there's a broader question about best practices in the secret service as it relates to poli

secret service. she is the author of zero fail, the rise and fall of the secret service.eat to have you with us. what have you been able to find out about the circumstances surrounding these missing text messages? >> what i have learned thus far is the that inside the secret service headquarters, they are extremely angry at the accusation for the watchdog for their agency, the inspector general. the accusation of that inspector general that they intentionally deleted emails -- i'm sorry, texts -- that relate to the attack on the capitol. >> those things are important pieces of evidence. and everybody wants to get their hands on text at the secret service was exchanging on that day. why? because secret service agents are witnesses to history. and they are key agents involved in this, who knew what the president was saying, what he was plotting and what he was angry about on january 6th. so, they know a lot, they texted a lot. and that should be evidence we all should see. but here is the problem. pre attack on the capitol, the secret service had been saying for months to e

d s b i o my insecurities secret service. my advisor with a capital police about the situation with capital. i am not aware of any of those requests. no, sir. we have confirmed in numerous interviews with senior law enforcement and military leaders, vice president, pencils, staff, and d. c. government officials, none of them not wine heard from president trump that day. he did not call to issue orders, he did not call to offer assistance. this week we received a dis just tional testimony from yet another witness about why the president didn't make any efforts to quell the attack. the former white house employee with national security responsibilities told us about a conversation with senior advisor, eric hirschman, and pat sit baloney. the top white house lawyer. this conversation was about a pending call from the pentagon, seeking to coordinate on the response to the attack. mr. hirschman turned to mister salt, set bologna and said the president didn't want to do anything. and so mister swift baloney had to take the call him

the secret service is never going to allow that. it could endanger other guests there attending the event. secret service, while they tried to accommodate every request by the protectees, mindful they have a political objective, they were never going to put the president's life at risk. >> what do you assess is the impact of this testimony? of course it's for posterity, legislative purposes but you might have heard senator toomey said this makes it harder for trump in 2024, what's your take? >> yeah, i think there's a lot going on in here. if you listen to liz cheney recently, i think what she's doing is giving a script to other republicans, both in 2022, and 2024 to say this is the message, if you want to beat back trump, this is the message, we're calling him a threat to democracy, and he shouldn't be allowed near a democracy again. then you've got folks that used to be friendly in trump's camp, folks at fox news, mick mulvaney, folks from the inner circle coming out and saying this is really really bad. we don't see how trump has

give us the reporting and how the secret service is responding? >> don, the office of inspector general for the homeland security department which oversees the secret service, told congress that it was doing an investigation into exactly what happened on january 6th and the secret service's handling of it, they said that that the key messages, text messages, from january 6th january 5th that were deleted. now, the secret service apparently was doing some kind of change over of their phones and as a result of that, those messages were deleted. now, the key point here is that the secret service is pushing back on some of this. they say that these messages weren't requested by the inspector general until february of 2021, well after the secret service had begun this changeover. i'll read you just a part of their messages, they're pushing back very strongly against what's the inspector general said, they're saying the insinuation that the secret service maliciously deleted text messages following a request is false, in fact, the secret service has bee

the largest -- of 2015 led by the secret service.re you have a presidential transition, and outgoing president who frankly is unhinged. and incoming president, the secret service in the middle of that transition. managing the security of january 20, and the nation is on high alert. frankly, i'm not surprised that they did not get the data migration completely perfect. we will learn more about this, but, i've had to admonish the secret service. i've had to ask for director's resignation. it is far from perfect in his aggie -- execution of a number of things, without a doubt. >> that's a very interesting perspective. and illuminating because of the experience you have. there were some scandals there, in the secret service during your period of time that you are overseeing it. i want to ask about something you said, you are formal prosecutor as you just referenced. you said more or less the public evidence that's presented could, in the hands of, aggressive prosecutor, be an indomitable prosecutable case. elaborate on that. >> based upo

security secretary jay johnson, i will talk to him about that and the growing scandal of the secret service next. et service next. millions have made the switch from the big three to xfinity mobile. that means millions are saving hundreds a year on their wireless bill. and all of those millions are on the nation's most reliable 5g network, with the carrier rated #1 in customer satisfaction. that's a whole lot of happy campers out there. and it's never too late to join them. get unlimited data with 5g included for just $30 a line per month when you get 4 lines. switch to xfinity mobile today. one of the questions that has lingered in the year and a half since the violent attack on january 6th is why the capitol police were basically left alone to defend themselves, and all the lawmakers -- not to mention the seat of the u.s. government. how could it be there was no plan to support them ahead of a day that donald trump teased would be quote, wild. and why did it take so long for backup to arrive on the -- when it was clear the capitol police were overwhelmed? we saw on television. where was t

in on the secret service and what exactly happened, how trump reacted, how secret service reacted and responded and we are expecting the final hearing next week, ana, a lot of this could come out then, too. >> thank you for that reporting. now to the question on whether mike pence and potential even former president trump will be subpoenaed. the committee, saying it may still seek interviews with both. caitlin, what can you share? >> the committee is revisiting something that they battered about over the past couple of months, do they want to get answers from donald trump or mike pence directly about conversations they had, so yesterday it was representative kinsinger speaking to the wall street journal. he broached the idea that the committee would be talking about this, potentially subpoenaing trump himself. one of the things that is curious about this, even though the committee has a lot of political momentum right now. they're trying to nail down all kinds of things. we already know a lot from their investigation about mike pence and his thinking leading up to jen 5th, several of

secret service erased those text messages after oig quested them from the secret service as part of ourn of events at the capitol on january 6th. the secret service, though, is pushing back, saying that any implication that the erasures were malicious is just wrong, and they said this in a statement. dhs, oig requested electric communications for the first time on february 26th, 2021. after the migration was well under way. the secret service notified dhs-oig of the loss of certain phones' data but confirmed to oig that none of the texts it was seeking had been lost in the migration. so the secret service pushing back on this. they also say that they have been cooperative. they said they handed over 800,000 emails, nearly 8,000 microsoft teams chat messages, but our team has learned the inspector general went directly on multiple occasions to dhs secretary mayorkas to complain that the ig just wasn't getting the information he needed for a review of the secret service conduct over january 6th, so jake, now the committee is pressing for answers, saying they need to hear from secret servi

and let me say this, secret service knows it has to do this. they do this all the time they save the data because everyone knows secret service from their duty of protecting the president, but lesser known, the secret service also routinely does criminal investigations. when i was a federal prosecutor i did all sorts of fraud cases with really talented secret service agents, and in a criminal case, you absolutely have to save all those communications, often you have to turn them over to the defense. if you fail to do that, a judge may dismiss your case, so secret service knows it has this obligation. they have the means and mechanisms to save that data, yet somehow for these two dates, that data was not saved at all. >> and charles, you were critical of a number of aspects of this, including the inspector general, and the inspector general for the homeland -- for homeland security is saying that secret service is still being uncooperative. you know, what's the issue here? why can't they get on the same page? i know it is the job of the i.g. to

you know there's a lot of concern about what exactly the secret service new. and the fear was that some of that information would be lost forever. because again so many things that are the secret service agents were witnesses to and their communications at that time are key to understanding how they responded to the riot and how they responded to what the former president was trying to do. all of these things you know are very important pieces of evidence for the investigation for january 6 obviously and also for possibly the justice department if they end up looking at some of this. so that's the reason why this dispute is very important and is very important to know what happened with these text messages that it appears at least some of them have been lost. >> okay, evan perez standby as we have others here, andrew does this make sense to you or do you still have questions about it? >> i have a lot of questions and let's remember that this is an agency that their actions around these events have raised a lot of significant questions. this is an agency who to

that's a fact that the secret service doesn't dispute and it's a fact that the secret service actuallyhe inspector general. now, the secret service has also stated that none of those missing text messages that were part of this routine technology upgrade were in the focus of the inspector general looking at january 6th. so, again, it leads to what was the motive of -- what is the motive right now of the inspector general. if it's not material to their investigation, then why raise this so publicly? the second part of it is, secret service is not without blame here. they have to answer for why were text messages, regardless of where in the agency they were deleted from, why were they deleted, and there's no recovery here. that seems to me a clear violation of the federal records act. >> olivia, here is the other confusing part to me. i've also had a device replaced since january 6th. i got a new cell phone. but all of my texts from before july 6th are still on here. i don't even know how you can permanently get rid of things like that. so do you buy the explanation? >> yeah, i think the

that is not how the secret service agency trains.igned to the president's detail or the vice president's detail, you are trained to operate under immense pressure. you know, saying that you are going to take pause and call your family, that's definitely not what the ethos of the secret service is. they're mission driven. every single woman and man, officer and agent, is focused on the protection of that individual. in this case, the vice president. again, i don't know who this source was. i'm sure it was somebody who was in the white house situation room, who was listening to radio transmissions without context. what i saw and heard were things that we have trained on time and time again. what secret service agents train for are three big things. tactical, medical, and relocation situations. and in this case, we actually got two of them. we got the tactical and the relocation. one, the operating environment was deteriorating, so the security plan for that had to quickly be enacted. now that environment was destabilizing very quickly.