well, tony, i tell you watching that press conference i'm struck by how much talking secretar secretarye john kerry did without say anything solid. >> yes. >> reporter: clearly talks in paris got nowhere. sergei lavrov made his comments over an our ago. it is clear that h they did not make any he had way. tomorrow events move to brussels with talks about sanctions. there will equally be difficulty there as europeans try to figure out how to respond to russia without shooting themselves in the foot because their economies are deeply tied together. tony, i think it's clear that there is a very large en pass here between the east and the west. and it is going to be very difficult to make any head way. we heard secretary of state kerry repeatedly say we brought the ukrainians here because they need to be involved in this process, but the ukrainians were not allowed to sit in the same room as the russian foreign minister. this is the beginning of a process that is going to be very difficult. at this stage it appears no real movement has been made. >> phil, the russian line is, and you mentioned the stat