kind of have to go back and look at some of these images- but that's corrupt, materialistic, secular humanism, multiculturalism, globalism, the whole mishmash that says everybody belongs. uh - uh. only good christians in that interpretation, but people who believe in the american way belong. you know, you get that feeling in militia groups. the messiah doesn't tend to be a single person, but more the messiah of self-survival- the community, the compound. remember ruby ridge? some of these christian identity movement compounds where they're hunkered down there- you know, you get your food, you get your guns, you hunker down, and self-survival becomes the way, and it becomes the way of redemption. so it's through that kind of self-survival that you see redemption. yeah, sure, susanna. >> i was just going to throw in that i think president kennedy said- and he may have been quoting thomas jefferson or benjamin franklin- i know franklin said that when you find yourselves choosing security over freedom, you end up with neither one. the other quote that i was starting off with though was he said- g

even he was astonished by the enthusiasm with which people greeted the eloquent arguments for secular humanismnded god is not great in the last chapter with of the lines above all, we are in need of a renewed enlightenment. he didn't really expand on this the introductions of the reportable atheist which was written some while after he had been on the road with god is not great is just a hint of what was on his mind. all acs can't live for long just being against something. they have to speak for what makes life worth living. in a couple conversations i have i felt that this was stirring in his mind, just what this renewal could be dreamed to be in the form of a book. so she says there could be no serious ethical positions based on denial or refusal to look at the fact squarely in the face. but this is not -- this doesn't mean that we should steer into the abyss all the time. only religion of the enough has required us to do that. believing them as this religious objection concedes that human life is actually worth living one can combat once pessimism by stoicism in the by the refusal of delus

even he was astonished by the enthusiasm with which people greeted eloquent arguments for secular humanism he ended god is not great in the very last chapter with the lines, above all, we are in need of a very new to enlightenment. he did not expand. the introduction to the portable atheist, which was written sometime after god is not great, it is just a hint of what was on his mind. all atheists can't live for long being against something. they have to speak for what makes life worth living. in the topic of conversations that i have with him, just what this renewal could be dreamed to be in the form of a book. so he said there could be no serious ethical position based on denial or a refusal to look at the facts squarely in the face. this is not meaning that we must search of the abyss all the time, any religion has required us to do that. leaving then, as this religious objection implicitly concedes come of it human likeness is actually worth living, one can combat once natural pessimism by stoicism and the refusal of illusion, one embellishing the seed with any of the following. there a

may i be your official secular humanness of "the stephanie miller show." >> we needed one. >> sure did.r.s. that says that this pastor and many others are violating the tax code. >> mm-hmm. >> caller: because evidently in that 90-minute rant that he had there was a lot of don't vote for obama stuff. so that's a little upside to it. >> stephanie: julie, we make this point all the time. the churches should not get taxpayer money to tell their congregation how to vote. >> a lot of these things have ceased to be churches. a political organization. >> they use the tax cover you get from being a church. all they're talking about is gun rights and anti-gay and women staying home and anti-choice. it is really just a gathering of people who believe that stuff because they don't -- they don't act on anything in the bible that's even remotely close to the compassion that jesus supposedly showed. that's why i'm never surprised when they don't act like jesus. they have nothing to do with the guy. it is a front. >> stephanie: karl in nashville, real quick. go ahead. >> well, you know what? cory book

three as a secular response and last week representative pete stark from california explained the day is one that celebrates the application of reason and the positive impact it has had on humanity he also called it an opportunity to really of farm the constitutional separation of religion and government so clearly there is a debate out there but do we need either a day of prayer or reason here of gaza with me is john fairclough author of the book attack of the theocrats how the religious right harms us all and what we can do about it he's also the director of strategy and policy at the richard dawkins foundation for reason and science thanks so much for joining us tonight great to be here why don't you just start by telling me what the national day of reason means for you i why do we have a national day of reason well i think that every day should be a national day of reason really that's what jefferson and madison intended however we've gotten away from that and recently really recently in the scope of american history it was billy graham who initiated this concept back to the one nine hundred fifty s. this is the billy graham who talked to his close friend richard nixon about

human impact, it was good call, a nice start. the stock will get a pop. we still view with the secular that you you mentioned that it goes probably in a trading range, but it was for the stockholder as good conference call last night. >> so at this point, we had mark stall man talking about where the it should trade -- >> he was talking about structural -- >> a price as a ratio to assets that it had or something. and it was 30%. i can't remember the metric he was using. but basically undervalued by -- worth a third what it should be worth. >> but it says it's because they have these structural problems. >> is this a stock that could be worth $50 again if they get it right? >> if the earnings momentum starts to get going and they get it right, the stock's been there. but i don't see that a this point. the free cash flow, the earnings number really doesn't matter. they generated about 77% in free cash flow in the quarter, even lower if you take out asset sales. they generate free cash flow almost every quarter, which is a structural issue because of the way pcs don't goeearnings quali. t

a more secular kind of figure, i think they are going to be very disappointed and will feel even disenfranchised as a result of these elections. host: as we look at the worst countries in human rights. guest: this won't surprise you. it's north korea and iran and china and they also site ooze beck stan and eck doirl new guinea. syria in the gross human rights eye abuses under the assaad regime. but even places like belarus and chad and cuba. so there's major problems around the world. but my organization also produces a report that assesses the state of freedom in the world. the countries green are according to our requirements and the not free countrys are in purple. in our results, not surprisingly not quite closely with the state department's human rights reports. host: to call in, the numbers below. china, how is china weighing in? we've heard so much attention lately on the activist who has now come over to the united states. chen guangcheng's experience. as a dis dependant, his story might shed light on the story of dissidents. guest: to the state department's credit, china is flagged as an area of real concern. . -- guest: we've seen a crackdown against the minority r