. >> charlie: you certainly have made that an article of your own party's commitment, a secular state. muslim brotherhood rejected i think what the prime minister of turkey suggested would be good for egypt as a secular state. they will not win -- >> the mistake has been done from the beginning. i'm brave enough to say it today. is that the army has given them too much lean from the beginning. so it went up to their mild. theyelieve they're in power already and they're behaving like they are. all the statements are like that. one ofhe leaders said whoever thinks she can oppose us, these are the statements coming out bere they take power. what will they do when they take power you know. >> charlie: tell me what will happen if they takepower? >> they take power, they will teach everybody how to be dressed, how to eat, what to drink, what to do and whatnot to do. all of these issues is like a taliban like government. you are talking about you understand now and so on. the problem you guys in washington never listened to -- and they had the war but we decide to go anddo it our own way so

there hasn't been even stat supt deliberate movement in egypt who wants a secular state. all i'm saying if the muslim brothers come, we will talk to them we have no problem with them and so on. that's what they're saying so people think they're opportunistic. they will work with anybody. like they tried to work with the debit in many political world and they ate them up. so we need people to standby us. this is not iran. the majority of the egyptian people do not want a religious state. the fact that they are now passive, they are scared from the bullying that's happening, the fact that the indications are that somehow the army sided with these people so people think it's a complaint. it's not a complaint. >> charlie: when are the parliamentree elections. >> november 28th. >> charlie: that's a little more than what. >> six days. >> charlie: six days. >> yes. and how can you handle an election like that in the square if they are frightened and all that. they have to be post poapped a week or two. >> charlie: have you met with th gin. >> when? >> charlie: recently. >> no. >

that even christians can join the party at the same time they're not talking about abolishing the secular state introducing syria norms and social and political life nobody is talking about that but the new leaders in libya have declared that they are going to build a new state based on sharia law is it possible some people might say in libya libya is not egypt after all first of all the americans and all the westerners for that matter still haven't analyzed the ante get off the forces and see what they're made of this is just plain unprofessional after all they might have been some democratic group there displeased with gadhafi but most of these are tribes you see. so you think libya is not going to become a fundamentalist islamic state. in libya is going to recover. from carol's look at iraq for example it's been more than eight years and they still can't stabilize a situation t.v. never stops reporting new casualties fifteen dead thirty dead every day in iraq explosions and so on it could happen so regularly that people get used to it you start thinking this is normal it is chaos over eight

that even christians can join the party at the same time they're not talking about abolishing secular state and. producing sharia norms it's a social and political life nobody's talking about those. school. but the new leaders in libya have declared that they are going to build a new state based on sharia law is it possible well some people might say that in libya libya is not egypt after all first of all the americans and all of us can expel it was it still haven't analyzed the and he could duffey forces and see what they're made up of this is just plain unprofessional after all there might have been some democratic group there displeased it elfie but mostly there are tribes you see. so you think libya is not going to become a fundamentalist islamic state. nobody knows when libya is going to recover from its chaos look at iraq for example it's been more than eight years old and we still can't stabilize the situation at t.v. never stops reporting new casualties fifteen thirty to every day in iraq bombs explosions and so on have been so regularly that people used to. think this is normal but

targeting runs a main bank blacklist entity suspected of aiding iran's nuclear program you're a secular state hillary clinton warned that increasingly aggressive action against the country will continue and other governments to put pressure on terror and it's an analyst chris bambery has told me that he thinks this approach by the west resembles the lead up to the iraq invasion. yes this is a ramping up of the pressure on iran and we have seen israel being for an attack on. iran we've seen israel essentially a dummy read a little bit inside then you're right it's planes flying back into how it's supposed to test its capacity to launch an attack on iran and why need to agree to that i don't know we've seen israel launching and into convents of ballistic missile in recent weeks and we have this force at the moment i would israel sitting in a conference this crossing a nuclear free middle east when it is the only power in the middle east which has a nuclear program they are very selective in the use of sanctions of course they do nothing about it pakistan is an unstable state with nuclear weapon

sanctions targeted named bank can at least entity suspected of aiding iran's and to program a secular state hillary clinton warned that crease in the rest of action against the country will continue and other governments to put pressure on him but author and journalist david lindorff elise aggression towards iran could bring a bit of consequences here in transit all the signs are looking exactly like the look in the period of two thousand and one to two dozen three here in the us with this you know drumbeat of hysteria. the weapons of mass destruction every leader of the in is seeing all. there on the table bit seeing that any indication is on the table in israel of course constantly threatening to attack i mean if you really want to get a country to get a nuclear weapon and just keep threatening it with the sanctions will probably have a negative effect on the u.s. goals of trying to drive a wedge between people in their government because people get so angry at the same actions and see them as a threat so i think what you'll see in iran is probably something similar with the rallying peop

this given the destabilization of the regime which of course has tried to maintain a socialist secular state in the country for a long time to see the destabilization of that one would assume that the. a repressed sunni majority in the country once in power would try to assert more of an islamic influence over the government of that country so one would assume that would be a logical consequence of what we see playing o'regan now russia and china have already vetoed a u.n. security council resolution the dead target damascus what do you think the enemies of president assad really need a u.n. mandate to bring him down. certainly no and i think iraq would be the obvious parallel in that regard certainly no u.n. mandate was it was necessary in that regard because a coalition of the willing or whatever term can be invented can be invented in order to to provide some sort of justification so i think we very much could see a similar thing playing out here and of course the arab league suspension would be would be i have no doubt would be offered as one justification for that type of move now the w

. >> rose: a secular state and --t and democracy. >> rose: right, yes.these threeo the arab world today is very difficult to achieve in the short term, because there's no short do you tell democracy. you have to have democracy for many years, get the pains, get the -- the hang of it, a be educated for democracy, and accept democracy, and this will not be achiefable i achievable b world. it will take some time. there's different strengths of the economy of different arab countries, oil-rich countries, oil-poor countries, and countries like egypt that are big but not very rich. so it's very difficult to bring them all under one common denominator, but of course it was right to advise and educate that these countries in the long run should be democratic, where it will be liberal, have a liberal economy, and be like turkey. >> rose: some have pointed tfolt lunch today, you know, the old proverb that you can't win a war without egypt, and can't water-resistant peace without syria. >> right. >> rose: others will point outts for influence in the arab world, neither are arab states -- turkey an

the party wants to establish a secular islamic state. it breaks the power of the western-backed technocrats. any expression of political islam was suppressed under their rule. >> he went back tunisia after the leader was ousted. the fall of the dramatic events in his homeland from afar. his party, outlawed for decades, is now the strongest force in the country. when men worry that they will seek to limit the freedoms they have just onwon. he seeks to allay those fears. dodge the movement is renewing its commitment to women in tunisia. we are encouraging them to play a part in the political process. >> his goal, he says, is in islamic democracy, taking turkey as a model. he also wants closer ties with the west. >> we also emphasize the significance starting with europe in order to restart our missing role in the mediterranean region. >> actions speak louder than words in the world is watching closely to see how it will improve itself. >> we are back. what is the agenda of this party? do they want islamic banking? >> they don't . they are

want it to a secular state. the military is playing once against the other. we have seen on friday that seculars are telling the military you have to transfer power to a secular democratic government. >> is it possible that the egyptian generals will try to exploit this and welcome all the chaos in the streets as a pretext to can sl elections which are scheduled to begin on next monday and run through march. might that move, if it happens, ignited an even larger egyptian revolt? >> it would be likely the ministry is going to cancel the elections but the problem is not going to be the legislative elections. the problem is twofold. one is constitution, what kind of constitution. two, the presidential elections, who are the candidates. the military now has taken advantage of the fact that those that are protesting are not united. those on the streets today are basically the secularists. but as of friday they have cut a deal with the military and if you give us what we want, you could let those demonstrators for a fe

states? the military is secular, it's u.s. funded. it defends the peace treaty with israel. and for decades, it's been the peace broker in the middle east. >> the main roll of the army is to protect egypt. and so far, and to this day, to this point in time, it is fully affecting the public. affecting the egyptians. >> reporter: in the evening, tantawi gave a rare television address. but it was soon clear, he wasn't stepping down. instead, he said egypt will form a new government and have early presidential elections. the reaction in tahrir, the field marshall is a trader, he said. and clashes resumed, more intense than before. and brian, regarding those three american students, u.s. embassy officials here in cairo have already been in contact with them. >> richard engel back again in tahrir square, cairo. richard, thanks. >>> let's bring things back domestically to the rush that's underway in this country tonight. this is top of mind for millions of american families. and if you're waiting for someone to come home for thanks giving, depending on where you live and where they

became the only exception that's right properly the baath regime in syria a secular regime ruined a neighbor the united states to install the muslim brothers and followed in syria so that we would have. a middle east ruled by the muslim brothers on one hand and directed against the. russian. to be the russian superpower and the chinese superpower he was also seems to be we can understand things you seem to be dismissing out right to the reports that have been confirmed by the un of the crackdowns the brutal crackdowns on protesters against the assad regime. often we've been hearing words every week every day about tens of killed dozens of been killed i mean you're saying it's not out of. no no i'm not saying this is not happening i'm saying that the regime that out of. seven dimensions for this crisis one of them is the corruption of the regime the authoritarian character of this regime but the main opposition the armed opposition to that is jean. we have to differentiate between the armed opposition and the peaceful opposition we have a peaceful opposition to the regime that is calling for reforms and we hav

it. >> it may take some time for secular democratic forces in a country like egypt to mobilize and gather their forces and perhaps egypt will go through an islamist statet there is no question that under mubarak unity government, which presented itself to western observers that secular nationalist while supporting extremists, radical preachers and while essentially allowing the muslim brotherhood and other more extreme forces to operate in the mosques. islamization occurred under mubarak and under sadat as well. >> well, they killed them. >> you know, dovetailing with what she said, the price of 435 years crushing any secular leftist movements are hoping the regimes crush these movements are in the cold war. and so there is a man who is always celebrated as the visionary man of peace was responsible for injecting so much into politics and politicizing a slope. you know, we have to remember everyone was shot at these demonstrations, which were spontaneous and not organized by one for us, did not have religious slogans and symbols. i mean, of course people say just as someone says jesus christ our mother of god, but i think the level to which it was not

secular left. >> forget about his personal beliefs, he represents the united states. >> someone should remind him the pilgrims came over to here to celebrate to be able to religious freedom and the ability to worship god, right. >> jon: someone should remind you that if i recall my grade school pageants correctly thanksgiving was a bunch of pagans teaching religious zealots out to farm. if we're going to be thanking anybody, you know, seriously failing to mention god in your thanksgiving address? not a huge thanksgiving foe pass. i mean, you can understand if instead of pardoning two male turkeys he had married them. okay? and then i could understand fox getting bent out of shape. i mean i guess it's a little weird that obama is the first president ever not to mention god in his thanksgiving address. >> president obama isn't the only commander in chief in recent history to leave god out of thanksgiving. >> jon: so, what? >> to be fair let's take a look at this. president george w. bush mentioned god in seven out of eight addresses. former president clinton only mentioned god in four out of eight.

numbers are difficult if you include deism which is not a be a state religion they're extremely welcome and. frequent christians in secular student groups discussing what it means without a god taking part in the country beyond belief and not where do we go from here and that's what the groups are doing discussing what it means how we should run society without believing in it he is the guy maybe you go that you tell yourself jeffersonian deists may his idea was someone a started on a person and yeah ok create jesse i wish there were of us thank you thank you so much for joining us thank you. want to see you congressman completely freaked out there well it's not the private marketplace that created this mess but created this mess government which has demanded for years everybody you know lean in don't believe in the marketplace for the mess we're in right now i'm tired of hearing that rap. place and you know what this pisses me off too many people don't listen learn to not write the basic premise try to say you want more or more regulation that's what you got drugs you lot more regulation he said what you want do you want

democratic state america is a big belly big supporter of sort of arabia that just shows that really don't care for working with democracies or working with dictatorships looking with secular governments or religious governments where we care about is our interest in the region bring another u.s. ally in the region it hosts america's states. also leaves on the shari'a law and as a. questionable human rights record and will we be are those in power or are there only things to me and particularly the united states the media here had generally been supportive of the campaign to topple gadhafi but now that he's gone why the sudden concern about human rights in libya maybe i don't all have it so well demonstrated in the run up to the iraq war when the media cheered first and then when it was too late when the war was full on started asking questions and we say human rights in libya was never a top priority for those english in print who called the shots and threw their support behind the current government i'm going to take our reporting from washington r.t. . embattled greece will soon have a new team to try and get it out of its financial quantum our leaders agree to form a c

jenna: it's better for the united states if a secular government goes in in egypt. >> we want very muchal democrats to win, they are disorganized, not well funded. it looks like the islamists will take 30 percent to a clear majority in the elections. jenna: how does that change the dynamic in the middle east? >> with 83 million people egypt is the most important state in the middle east to us. they are peace partner with israel, and they are an ally for us. we need access to the canal, we have over flights. but the peace process, the peace of israel really is the stability of the region i'd question, so it's key. jenna: interesting to hear that we have limited policy options. it's a story we'll continue to follow, that's why we want to keep it in our line of sight. nice to see you on set here. thank you very much for coming in as always. >> my pleasure. jenna: we'll be right back with more "happening now" in a moment. [ child ] it's so cool! you can put a force field on him and be invisible! [ child 2 ] i call first player. no. i already called it. [ dad ] nobody's playing anything unti

secular liberal here and there where it seems to make political sense. russ? >> mitchell: elizabeth palmer in cairo, thank you. nato and the united states are both investigating the weekend air strikes along the afghan border that left 24 pakistani soldiers dead. thousands of pakistanis converged outside the u.s. consulate in karachi today as antiu.s. protests spread. charlie d'agata has the latest. >> reporter: in a small village in northern pakistan today, they held a funeral for najeeb ullah, a young soldier mistakenly killed by nato forces. it was the last chance for asfand yar to see his young son's face. "we've given our children up for the security of this country," he says, "not so that they're killed in their own land." the pakistani government called the cross-border air strike an unprovoked attack and shut down vital supply routes to u.s. troops in afghanistan and demanded the u.s. vacate a key air base. today afghan officials said its forces called in the air strike after taking fire from the direction of two pakistani border posts. they've also expressed concern the attack may cause long-term damage to their relations with

secular parties are calling for a delay. >> fran if you're the president of the united states i assume you can't medal here, you have to watch out. if the islamist parties, muslim parties have the edge, should you be worried? >> absolutely you should be worried. we have seen this in the hamas elections. you can't influence now but it's regrettable the president, who took a visible role in pushing mubarak from power went on to libya, went on to other things, has domestic issues and really didn't lead, didn't apply leadership and resources that might have been helpful here in helping the military transition to a civilian democratic government. >> i want to turn both of your focus to the national security debate among the republican candidates. i want to start with michele bachmann. she was participating in a conversation about the risks of pakistan, whether the united states should end aid to pakistan, how it should change its relationship with pakistan and discussing in her view the risks to the nuclear program. let's listen. >> they also are one of the most violent, unstable nations that there is. we have to recognize that 1