some student groups they do ask to be part of the religious groups i know at stanford to secular student alliance groups was required to be listed as part of the religious institutions but they were quite a they made sure they had a signing statement describing quite what they meant by that to make it clear they did not consider a feeling to be a religion just discussing the filth off the religious philosophical views that religion usually tries to address i suppose by some of these definitions you could say that the tea party is a religion. it's. some type or says well yeah so. where are you going from here. but we're trying to put social pressure on a lot of the schools at dayton the community is obviously behind the student group and trying to show more and more universities it's a good move that as the youth age range becomes less and less religious it's the big trends that the eighteen to twenty five age range is less likely to be affiliated with religion twenty two percent of that age range is not really in with any religion and as this happens cycling into the environment or up to you mean

organizations and get on campus so i asked my guest jesse gallop and occasions director of the secular student alliance why he and his fellow student atheists are pitching their belief system as a religion. why not just pitch it to them hey you know we have a belief system our belief system is we're not sure about that god we're not sure about any gods but it's our belief system and that all if isaac is a religion and in fact some of us are even evangelical we're all trying to spread it and so get ok just call us a religion and give us our damn club. well we don't consider ourselves religious and atheism isn't usually considered a religion but it has come up when the schools try to send a student group to the campus ministry for approval it's much more appropriate to send the student groups to say glossy departments something like that because it's more about discussing these things and promoting a safe community for these issues to be discussed and for non religious schools to meet. but if you're not if i if i may. you know if if if you are going to go to the flossy department of the political science

cathryn, this organization, secular student alliance. >> how many kids? what is it about?eight ests. >> we have sec you lar. that means we're nonreligious. we have people who call themselves eight theest, or simply don't believe in god. >> what do you think about that organization or things like that that do occur? >> what do i think? >> yes. >> i think i respect them and i'm glad to hear there are only 40 members. >> i think we can educate ourselves with the stupid di. what cathryn was saying about not having faith. he not only believes in the big bang theory but that nothing created it. i think the whole mentality is skewed. >> the big bang theory, the only way they can explain the big bang theory is that space aliens came here to start it going. >> [ laughter ] >> >> i'm not entirely sure what that means if aliens started the big bang but something had to have had create it. something cannot come from nothing. >> why would it have to have been nothing? >> i find it fascinating that eight theests are nonbelievers are so bent in their nonbelieve that they have to pull tog