how has that happened in your view. >> if you look at the secular thinkers themselves, many will admit that they've done that. if you look at what they say about issues of human rights in such. we sort of have some talking from both sides of the mouth, others admit flat out that no, because there is no god, because there is nothing transcendent, that therefore humans make up their own morality and that doesn't give you any kind of fixed morality to go on. many, if you look at how they spin that out into issues, they will argue forthright that certain people are not equal to others, a personhood theory like peter singer at princeton and many other bioethicists embrace that humans are only valuable if they have rationality. many admit that human inequality goes along with their viewpoint, and i show how that's changed in secular thought. >> how do you show that. >> by looking at their own works and showing that many of them admit that it's the implication of their view. when i tried to show is that many of them contradict themselves because many of them do, at some level think the human

so the culture clash in secular societies gets violent sometimes i mean. if we remember the danish concur tune of the prophet challis a bill for the american muhammad movie and how many people died as a result of of all of that. what should come first here are the rights of europeans to draw any cartoon they wish or the religious sensibility of muslims i think that there of course freedom of speech is a universal value and it's a fundamental value and it's not a christian westen no you it's a universal value which is shared by all people all over the world to me as a muslim freedom of speech. is an essential value at the same time i have another essential value which is. the believe that the koran is the word of god or you know this sensitivity. so i do believe that. it's important as human beings that when we we have this freedom of speech but it's not a freedom to evaluate other people or to discriminate other people so always with freedom of speech there comes responsibility so we all everybody's responsible for how we talk and how we meet people and we

don't go to st luke course and paul they don't turn to bible and ask them women have rights to so secular feminism even possible in muslim culture of course it's possible it's happening all the time i mean in in many muslim countries you have a population there a secure list and they're not even occupied with religion but i'm occupied with. we form within religion occupied about how we can re read the koran with a focus on gender equality but the secular feminism is i mean it's present all over the world also in the muslim world so when you say down with polygamy down with oppression of women you can be a good muslim and not wear a veil but i'd imagine your religious opponents would say wait well this isn't really slum at all is islam really and all you can eat cafeteria where you get to pick and choose what you like and discard what you don't like and actually i believe that as a muslim leader as a muslim spiritual leader i mean we shouldn't judge other people it's not our i mean we should listen to people in the area must we have female humans within without the scarf and in that sense

you can also do it from a secular stand point. you can say well, science says that life begins at conception, a unique dna is formed from that moment. so if that new human life is a person, and it is, because there's no other time during a pregnancy that it would become a person, turn from a nonperson into a person, then by our standards in our country, by our laws, what right do we have legally to end that person's life? what right do we have standing outside the womb to say well this person deserves less protection under the law than i do? so i think that it's a good thing to think about what you're thinking about. it is good to have in your pocket arguments from both sides of the aisle. it's called audience targeting. you know, when you are talking to a group of christian people, you know that you're going to talk to them in a way that is going to connect with them. you are going to talk more about principles, more about morals, more about values, more about faith. when you are talking to people that you know are not christian

the secular bull markets do not end in a 20% or 30% pullback you saw the 1949 to 1966 secular bull marketave a number of those pullbacks. didn't stop the bull market. same thing in '82 to 2000. you had a crash in '87, did that end the secular bull market? it didn't. it was a bad day but it didn't end the secular bull market. we think the market has legs for at least another six, seven years, maybe, maybe into 2027. >> so you don't really necessarily think a 20% pullback even puts you into a new phase you think that could be part of a secular bull if we were to go down 20% >> yeah. >> you do. >> i do. i don't think it constitutes a bear market. alan shaw, i believe at smith barney decades ago came up with that but i don't buy it it may be a tactical bear market, but it doesn't interrupt a secular bull >> used to listen to him on the real "squawk box" in the morning. alan shaw and marshall akoff who else some other guys there. any way, alan shaw was one of the first technicians, mike. do you remember him? >> i do. >> newton was before, newton zinder was awesome, too. any way, michael, you'r

we talk about long-term secular trends within aws. advertising, subscription model. prime. there's so many things going on that amazon is reflective of consumer and also technology i mean, is it a consumer company or is it a technology company? and that's the opportunity that we're riding because we believe in these long-term secular trends that are not a day or week out, they're multiyears out. a little bit on the dollar i understand why that can be sort of an anchoring on the stock market but today going back to earnings, we have not seen the implication of the strong dollar companies that have more than 50% of their sales outside of the u.s. posted great top line growth than those domicile pure. it's an interesting dynamic. it could reverse but we haven't seen it. >> when does apple reflect on the things you mentioned which globally, everyone would agree, a $900 billion market cap, when do we say -- >> you mean amazon >> excuse me, amazon when do we say, it's pretty clear that they dominate these categories it's clear that they have endless levers to pull but is there an

revelations that the public trust in the institution to be able to keep up with the policy of the secular state and protected citizens particularly children has actually been completely completely effaced so i think that this points to a farther secularization of the state even if this is cited it's not quite there yet our idea is religious affairs correspondent martin many thanks indeed for all your insight my pleasure. well tributes are flooding in for a u.s. senator john mccain who died overnight at the age of eighty one mccain has been battling an aggressive form of brain cancer since july of last year and on friday his family had announced he'd discontinued any further treatment after a long military and political career he passed away at his ranch in arizona surrounded by his wife and other family members. the flag flies half staff over the white house for a man who dreamt of occupying the nation's highest office. born into a family of navy admirals john mccain served in the vietnam war as a navy pilot when his plane was shot down over one noir in one thousand nine hundred sixty sev

a lot of clients come into fidelity and say what does a new secular -- the term secular mean.arket we are talking about is generational. if we went back to the greatest generation after world war ii, they came from where they began, nesting. the next bull market that came out was from their children, the baby boomers. we get theegin that, next bull market. 1982 through 2000. today we look at the current generation, the millennials. the rise and millennials has making -- has been making this market from 2013 to present. abigail: this is such an interesting way to look at the bull market. we have had pullback so let's look at your next chart. another amazing long-term chart here showing pullback within a bull market and how they are healthy. >> they sure are. can at the last bull market, we can see there are pullbacks along the way. i purposefully did this, not as a log chart because i do not --t this to get yeah abigail: and it sure looks like that. if they caneople pick out the crash of 87 without looking at dates. people have a hard time. we were at other pullbacks in 1991, a

i do think all conservative policies can be defended in strictly secular terms and i think it's wisest to go about it that way. >> i agree with you all conservative policies can be defended in strictly secular terms. i think there's a place for both give you an example. one of the topics that are most passionate about his is aborti, pro-life, the right to life and -- [applause] >> thank you. and there are many avenues that you can take to make that argument. the argument from a religious standpoint that those of us who are christian elite from the moment of conception god has for form this baby in the womb, and, therefore, we have no right morally to in that child's life. you can also do it from a psycho standpoint or you can say well, science says life begins at conception. dna is one that sperm forms with an ache. there's no other time during a pregnancy that it would become a person, turn from a nonperson into a person than by our standard and country by our laws would like to have legally to end the presence like was what right do we have stand outside want to say this person deser

internally which is more secular and inboard you know so i think it's it's a mixture of things which have to be view. rather than you know to one particular character one individual we've seen over the years that neither of the political parties which have remained in power have have managed to steer the country in a secular democratic manner which is respectful of rights and has enabled the creation of of an honest critique in civil society space you know neither has done bad job i'm sorry who was the on the right to continue i'm sorry to interrupt it's just that i want to ask david to pick up on something you were saying david charo was talking you know about political movements within bang the dash now do you believe the country is in a unique political moment right now and because the demonstrators continue to come out day after day do these protesters feel in any way right now that they have a bit of the upper hand well i wouldn't say that the protests themselves indicate to the countries it's a. significant point i mean the country is moving to the point where they're going to

attempt to orientate all reorientate of the island of today with the islands of the past with the secular side of our society and what's left of its core religious values and beliefs now any address the issue of child sex abuse which has been of course very prevalent in ireland what has been the reactions to his comments neve. well i think it's fair to say the pope francis has gone further than any other religious leader in addressing within the catholic church at least in addressing historical abuse carried out by religious figures within the church but many survivors that i'm speaking to over the last couple of days feel that he simply has not gone far enough in in describing exactly what concrete steps the church can take in bringing those who accused of these crimes to justice is important in his speech that he referred to abuse as a repugnant crime that's a major step forward in the past every priest was simply moved on from one parish to another they were quietly retired they were moved abroad but what the pope has made clear is that these are indeed crimes but what victims want is

a secular purposely making an excessive personal contribution, both for the purpose of influencing the 2016 election. in addition, what he did was work to pay money to silence to women who had information that he believed would be detrimental to the 2016 campaign into the candidate and campaign. in addition, mr. : sought reimbursement for that money by submitting invoices to the candidates company which were untrue and false. they indicated the reimbursement was for services rendered for the year 2017, when in fact the invoices were a sham. he provided no legal services for 2017. the simply a means to obtain reimbursement for the unlawful campaign contribution. couple points i like to make. first, these are very serious charges and reflect a pattern of lies and dishonesty over an extended time. they are significant in their own right. the particularly significant when done by a lawyer. a lawyer who, through training and tradition, understand what it means to be a lawyer and engage in honest and fair dealing and adherence to the law. mr. cohen : disregarded that information and decided

ben: i would want to see what the standards were. >> there is no secular education. secular education and a civil society is effective. that holds regardless to religious affiliation. if you're going to have a school, then you should teach our kids enough that they can function in society. to be rather libertarian on those topics. i'd want to know whether this is actually child endangerment or abuse. i would have to know more about the case to know that. there raging into government telling parents what they must teach children. see a slippery slope argument when he left suddenly declares that it is the job of religious schools to teach social values for example. i hate toa lawyer comment on cases i have not examined. yes it is is that child endangerment if you're not teaching children anything at all. by the same token, i want to make sure we are not debating parental rights. hi, i am james from binghamton university in new york. you said is important and i would agree on is entitlement reform. often when i try to talk about this i am told that i am uncompassionate

what about now when there's been a shift toward more secular leadership? it was true before that black ministers were leaders, why? because black ministers had more education than most people. black ministers had access to college. many of them. we know the reason black people were attracted to be methodists and baptists was because they had loose organizational structures and lower educational demands. when you are enslaved, you couldn't go to college. that's why methodists and baptists attractive black ministers because they could participate because the spirit moves them. notbecause they had the credentials . amazonian traditions did not attract negroes in the masses. because of their strict and stringent and racially tinged demand for educational achievement. so now, when people get access to college, a lot more people than ministers are educated. you have a whole class of business people, whole class of secular leaders or political figures who grow up. they begin to challenge the dominance of the church.obama in one sense was probably the first major

internally which is more secular and inboard you know so i think it's it's a mixture of things which have to be view. rather than you know to one particular character one individual we've seen over the years that neither of the political parties which have remained in power have have managed to steer the country in a secular democratic manner which is respectful of rights and. has enabled the creation of an honest critique and civil society space you know neither has done bad job i'm sorry who was the on the right to continue i'm sorry to interrupt but i want to ask david to pick up on something you were saying david charo was talking you know about political movements within bangladesh now do you believe the country is in a unique political moment right now and because the demonstrators continue to come out day after day do these protesters feel in any way right now that they have a bit of the upper hand well i wouldn't say that the protests themselves indicate to the countries it's a. significant point i mean the country is moving to the point where they're going to be elections. a

veil imposed on little girls which is an abuse and trampling on our values of equality freedom and secularism culture ism experts as hillary says that the french tradition though is to embrace and not to shut down provocative advertising but as far as the government is concerned there question should be ok is it legal or illegal in france putting the mail on in school is illegal so if the picture were something that were happening in school then to get france would have to ask us to make it different pictures because they can't. put a schoolgirl in a trance should embrace its diversity so in my opinion. these type of pictures should be welcome in trance i used to work in the perfume industry and france was always very very free about showing a lot of the female body and pretty america is meant. if we had clients in other countries who didn't agree with it or who had laws where you couldn't expose a lady's body too much and we simply provided them with another picture. you know based on the legality if france has a problem with that you know they can always ask that. the judge in the u.s. stat

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this is last secular building is a paradox in itself an organic creation that is not the work of natureut of ma'am a creation drawing together all the features for which goudie was already renowned . when construction was completed in one nine hundred ten the people of barcelona gave this unique building the nickname. the quarry. the description captures the essence of this structure whose walls like steep rock faces seem to become by nature's hand. the rippled and pitted facade reminds one of tide marks on the sand. handwrote ironwork is wound around the curve protruding fronts of the balconies like seaweed stranded on a beach. in his massive labyrinth in mansion built for the miller family is like one gigantic inhabitable sculpture from inside and out. god he didn't just build houses his constructions are works of art in every respect on the roof of the cars amelia is clear proof of his love of detail invisible to the unobservant passer by a phantom society of ventilation shafts and chimneys stand like ghostly masked figures. because a miller with its broad curved facade and grotesque

least i cover the internet sector and when you look across the sectors in technology and see the secular growth continuing here it is hard to say that tech is -- doesn't have continued upside. i guess i mean google and facebook and amazon and others. specifically online advertising continues to be extremely strong from our perspective. usage and engagement suggests it continues across the space and, frankly, you know, facebook, amazon, google, and others continue to innovate in their products. it seems to me there is a lot of secular growth that can continue. >> let's talk about facebook specifically. i believe you lowered your target there but air still optimistic. why? >> yeah. we lowered our target simply just given the increased risk around, the guidance they gave risk around, increased costs especially, you know, around privacy and security. but, frankly, when talking to advertisers and thinking about the product we think the product is awfully sticky. we don't think engagement on core facebook is going to materially deteriorate. if it does we think instagram is a big winner there.

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i think that secular education and a civil society is a necessity. that holds true regardless of religious affiliation. if you are going to have a school, you should teach your kids enough that they can function in society. that seems like a basic predicate. with that said, i tend to be rather libertarian on those topics. i would want to know whether this is actually child endangerment or child abuse. i would have to know more about the case to know that, or whether we are ranging into the government telling parents with a must teach children and how far we are ranging. i could see a slippery slope argument for the left suddenly declares it is the result of religious schools to teach children. we're going to get that california pretty soon. i cannot, and cases i have not examined. of course, it is child endangerment if you're not teaching your children anything at all. on the same token, i want to make sure we're not invading parental rights. >> james from new york. one of the issues you say is most important and i would agree on, but that is not tal

but i think that humanist values, let's say secular values, have flourished for a long time and thensopher and i have very different ideas about what a long time is. i am an evolutionary biologist by the way, not a philosopher, thousands of years, not hundreds of. i wonder how you then conceptualise the importance of change. a lot of your work is about co nsta ncy change. a lot of your work is about constancy and finding truce in the very deep past. but what about the importance of change? if one thinks about everything from the emancipation of women, equality for women, think about gay rights, think about civil rights. these are changes that we have seen in our society in the last 80 years and many people think that your philosophy actually has no place to change at. it runs counter to change. or that means is that they actually haven't read it. —— all. 0ne actually haven't read it. —— all. one of the things i point out clearly in the book that you have an internal guide to meaning. it is an instinct. is a manifestation of southern colebee 0riental reflex, which is something deep an

but i think it's fair to say that ireland is increasingly diverse, increasingly secular, a much more a much more globally outward—looking country than maybe it was a0 years ago. and the relationship with the church has changed, principally because of so many revelations that have occurred around child sex abuse, for example, but also some of the institutions that were run by the catholic church in the past, sometimes on their own, sometimes in cooperation with the state. that has caused people i believe to look at the catholic church in a different way. having said that, even in our most recent census which was only a few years ago, 78% of irish people still identify as catholic. millions of people are regular mass goers, and these events around the papal visit will be attended by maybe 750,000 irish people, which makes it the biggest event that happened in the country in a very long time. so, i think if i were to sum it up i would say that the catholic church is still very much part of our society, but not at the centre of it in the way that it was a0 years ago. do you think the chu

. >> i know a lot of times we put it in the dichotomy of we are becoming a more secular people or more religious people, is the not possible to say it's both and we're diverging as a culture in. >> i think there's evidence we're becoming a less churched people or less traditionally churched people in the sense of denominational attachment. but the idea we're becoming secular in the sense that we're becoming rational enlightened figures that voltere would have mentioned, i don't know. >> does that relate to -- i'm not going to go to my pastor who is somebody i have a relationship with, i'm going to go to the internet where i was a relationship -- >> yeah, i don't know. i think it would not take me much to start me speculating but i think it would just be that. >> i know a priest and he was a good guy and he surely believed in angels, i did not. but i trusted him in other things. >> i don't know how all of these things would have affected these believes. but my argument is i don't think any of these questions are bad. but there is a sense i want to establish is when we want to make concl

how ambitious i believe washington was for secular immortality. that hamilton is a would-be napoleon, that he craves power, and he certainly does. but what he does, he takes this brilliance and ambition, merges it with productive work in a way that basically is unmatched. his archrival thomas jefferson expressed the fact that hamilton really is a colossus. without numbers he is a host within himself. now, think how washington would feel to find this combination of talent and a capacity for productive work. he's so overwhelmed by problems, this is like a godsend. washington wanted people, as he put it himself, who can think for me as well as execute orders. and hamilton, his affinity for the way washington fought, was unequalled. rob cherno put it this way. hamilton was able to project himself into washington's mind, and what the general wanted to say, and writing it up into skill. it was an inspired piece of ventriloquism. washington gave a few tips and out it popped in record time. you can see how that would be for someone like washington. he rea

(laughter) no, that's secular. >> ifill: that's secular. >> that is secular, yes. >> ifill: will youoing to retire. that's-- that wouldn't be good, for one, just to go and sit down and do nothing. please. no, that's not moi. >> ifill: it's not moi. >> that is not moi. (laughter) ♪ ♪ ♪oo >>uff: aretha franklin last performed in her hometown of detroit in june of 2017. thousands showed up at an outdoor festival where she ended her concert with a plea to "keep me in your prayers." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ for more on who aretha franklin was and what she meant, i am joined by chris richardsitmusic for the "washington post." and grace bury, an american opera singer, who now lives in europe.t she fit aretha franklin in 1978, when they both performed at the first kennedy center honors program here in washington. they remained close friends ever since. she joins us from vienna, austria. an we welcome both of you to the newshour. grace bumbry, toe ou see first. sorry for the loss of your friend. what did aretha franklin mean to you personally? >> well, you know, aretha was five years younger than i, but we ha

i would talk about her relationship to that church and then the tensions between the sacred and secularashington, d.c. he gave it in june of that year in detroit, marching before cobalt hall, and c.o. franklin was there, a civil rights leader. i would speak about aretha franklin's relationship to dr. king and her love and support of him, and then i would speak about the incredible sources of music that inspired her. i would think about the great gospel singers of the era, but also talk about how she dabbled in blues and jazz, how nothing was foreign to her. her intimate relationship, her close relationship with sam kook, one of the great boss presidential pioneers who pioneered the path as ray charles did from the sacred world to the secular world, the price she paid for that, and then reintroducing aretha franklin as a figure of enormous possibility for those six or seven years that she experimented and found her stride in the late '60s. "i've never loved a man the way i loved you." speaking about the power, the pain of love affairs, the lack of support, and yet the extraordinary inves

here's your touch of secular immortality.e it somewhat close to you. as i say, i think after every talk i give, no foolish questions. lots of questions i can't answer. no questions i mind you asking. i mean, i would rather it be on hamilton and washington than on dwight eisenhower and the supreme court, but you know, feel free, whether it's in this or something you just want to bring up. so we will do that for a few minutes, but as i say, don't hesitate if you want to get up and leave now. so we'll take some questions. we have a question here up front. >> one of the things that happens in the musical is when george washington decides not to run again, alexander hamilton writes his speech. did that really happen? >> yes, there is a wonderful, one more time, and have a drink with me one more time. and actually, since you brought up the farewell address, initially, madison wrote the first -- hamilton wrote the second. washington hoped to only serve one term. madison started the farewell address for him. they broke, their relatio

beyonce is a secular priest, she has church after her already queen b. she's a postmodern cristtaken same way lamar is, cousin christians, my kind and are taking gospel in broader world. it is coloring the lens but god has been unleashed by the prism that some people worked through and now there's a new challenge to figure out if we can translate some of the theology we believedut 20, 30, 40, 50 yes ago in new forms ago. king found language to speak to the masses, as i said in about 1989 justice is what love sounds like when speaking in public. martin luther king inspired me to write frei, if you're concerned as human being, you and i are brothers and sisters. i would rather be with atheist who claim no god but does the right thing every day than a christian who wants to send me to hell because my skirt is too much short or i have make up and i'm gayt and tran and think tht god is cosigning the bigotry. that's the thing that king was moveing towards to. [laughter] [applause] >> so we are going to go to questions and answers in a second. this is my last q

who do notation provide secular education. mr. shapiro: i do not know about the lawsuit. organizationm=s a former has civics you and he is going after schools that do not provide secular education to their students. do not read.s they do not have reading comp ranjit. it is a lawsuit against the schools. mr. shapiro: i want to see what the standards are if the standard is you do not learn anything -- i think secular education in a civil society is a necessity. that holds to regardless of their religious affiliation. if you are going to have a school, you should teach your kids enough that they could function in society, a basic predicate. --ntity rather libertarian that being said, identity rather libertarian, and i would have to know more about the case, or we are telling what parents must teach children. i could see a slippery slope argument with the left declares it is the job of religious schools to teach certain social values. we are going to get that in california. as a lawyer, i cannot comment on cases i have not examined. child endangerment if you are not teaching

i would agree with you not for secular growth stories you only get so many looks at secular growth >> there's the nuews at the bottom of the screen mike, thank you as always. great conversation saudi arabia's sovereign wealth fund taking a $2 billion stake in tesla the stock spiking on that. >> that is a whild headline. >> wow >> rumor was always if there's real trouble at tesla financially, the vision fund will come in because they have unlimited money and aren't afraid to take risks i don't remember hearing anyone talk about the saudis and what's interesting is this could be thought of as a hedge if they're worried about the decline in gasoline powered vehicles. maybe electric cars. >> pardon me for cutting you off. i want to get to a quick break here's what's coming up. >> straight ahead. the bio tech stock one analyst is urging investors to buy today. see how high he thinks it can go the call of the day is is next plus, fresh after telling us twilio was set to pop, see what else pete is see ng the options market but first after a big gain for tech in the first seven month of the y

to greet the leader of the catholic church despite what is being described as the increasing secularization of ireland which of course in the past have been perhaps the most catholic of countries in europe. but the country has changed profoundly in the past forty years since john paul the second came to ireland he visited not for the first time he then turned it into a pacific a major place of pilgrimage which is why it has been paramount for the irish clergy to invite this pope pope francis back to not to send a message that he is with the people of ireland it has been a journey. that resonates really with the faithful the seventy percent of the country still describe themselves as being linked to the catholic church will define themselves as being catholics many of those might well say well look we're culturally catholic and most certainly the number of people going to church on a regular basis has fallen significantly to less than forty percent in recent years as ireland becomes increasingly more more secular as it dismantles some of the cornerstones of perhaps dogmatic church doctrine o