. -- seema misra.— -- seema misra. i spoke to susan within a day or so _ -- seema misra. i spoke to susan within a day or so of _ -- seema misra. i spoke to susan within a day or so of that - within a day or so of that conversation. if you can date when susan found out, it would have been just before that, because leslie saul could only have found out from susan. br; saul could only have found out from susan. �* , . saul could only have found out from susan. �* , , . .. susan. by this time, and i will call it mid-2013. — susan. by this time, and i will call it mid-2013. you _ susan. by this time, and i will call it mid-2013, you had _ susan. by this time, and i will call it mid-2013, you had been - susan. by this time, and i will call. it mid-2013, you had been engaged susan. by this time, and i will call - it mid-2013, you had been engaged on it mid—2013, you had been engaged on the issues _ it mid—2013, you had been engaged on the issues of— it mid—2013, you had been engaged on the issues of horizon

it's all to do with the case against seema misra, which he helped to prepare.'d blamed horizon for her losses. but shortly before her trial came this report written by fujitsu engineer garethjenkins about a bug affecting branch accounts and how he could use remote access to fix it. and then here's a note about the meeting that followed, warning about the potential impact upon ongoing legal cases. the inquiry saw how it was all forwarded in this email to jarnail singh — the header showing it printed minutes later. i don't recall seeing it. don't recall printing it. this was saved in your drive, wasn't it? i don't even know what you're talking about. i don't know how to do...these things worked. you don't know how to save a document? no. this was just three days before seema's trial. the material was never disclosed. it could have stopped her wrongful conviction and many others that followed. all of this, "if i received it... "if i read it..." is a big, fat lie, isn't it? no, sir. you know it, mr singh. sir, i didn't come here to lie. i'm at an age where i have c

he helped prepare the case against seema misra.osses. but shortly before her trial came this report written by fujitsu engineer garethjenkins about a bug affecting branch accounts and how he could use remote access to fix it. and then here's a note about the meeting that followed warning about the potential impact upon ongoing legal cases. the inquiry saw how it was all forwarded in this e—mail to jarnail singh, the header showing it printed minutes later. i don't recall seeing it, don't recall printing it... it was saved in your drive, wasn't it? i don't even know what you're talking about. i don't know how these things worked. you don't know how to save a document? no. this was just three days before seema's trial. the material was never disclosed. it could've stopped her wrongful conviction and many others that followed. all of this, "if i received it, if i read it," is a big fat lie, isn't it? no, it's not. and you know it, mr singh. i didn't come here to lie. i'm at an age where i've come to assist the inquiry. he said he didn

he helped prepare the case against seema misra.e potential impact upon ongoing legal cases. the inquiry saw how it was all forwarded in this e—mail to jarnail singh, the header showing it printed minutes later. i don't recall seeing it, don't recall printing it... this was saved in your drive, wasn't it? i don't even know what you're talking about. i don't know how to do...these things worked. you don't know how to save a document? no. this was just three days before seema's trial. the material was never disclosed. it could've stopped her wrongful conviction and many others that followed. all of this, "if i received it, if i read it," is a big fat lie, isn't it? no, it's not. and you know it, mr singh. i didn't come here to lie. i'm at an age where i've come to assist the inquiry. he said he didn't know about the bug for anotherfew years. a hard watch for seema and her husband here today. did you believe him? no. they didn't care they were sending |an innocent person to the prison. | all they were ever concerned about, the horizon

one thing that has become so clear the more i have come to these hearings is seema misra, janet skinnerthatis they are all a community now. and that is because only they can really understand the consequences of this scandal. we are talking about homelessness, bankruptcy, prison sentences of course, but also impact on mental health. there are people who cannot be here today because they took their own lives. several suicides have been linked to this scandal. those are the stakes that we are talking about. and why this inquiry is so important. and when it comes to the issue of restoring their reputations, there have been some key moments in the last few years that have gone some way in terms of restoring their good names. there was the high courtjudgment in 2019, for example. but for them it will never give them the years they have lost back. that is why they still want answers. thank you very much for reiterating those big questions for paula vennells that we need to be watching out for, that there is subpostmasters will certainly want to hear answers to. let's get our full background a

. >> well, i also spoke to former subpostmaster seema misra in 2010 when she was ten months pregnant.y convicted of stealing £70,000 from her post office branch in west byfleet in surrey, and received a 15 month sentence. she said she has mixed feelings about miss vennells. i don't know , like a mixed feeling, you know, like a mixed feeling, you know, like a mixed feeling, you know, angry, excitement, sort of wanting to hear the truth. >> so yeah, we've been hearing, wanting to hear for such a long time. so let's see what she's got to say. today. i would like to say to her, please, for god's sake, speak truth. >> so in the last few minutes, then miss vennells saying that she did probe, she said, i did ask questions and i'm disappointed when where information wasn't shared. and it's been a very important time for me to plug some of those gaps. well, subpostmasters is hoping that those gaps will be fully plugged over the next three days. okay. thank you ray. >> thank you very much. though. in a very rainy london this morning, we're going to go over now to listen to paula vennells giving

it's is clear how difficult it is become, people like seema misra, who i spoke to earlier, it broughtuiry is redeeming now, so we can listen in. the postmasters and post mistresses having _ the postmasters and post mistresses having been tempted to put their hand _ having been tempted to put their hand in— having been tempted to put their hand in the tail and treat it like a retaii— hand in the tail and treat it like a retail industry as some businesses did, they— retail industry as some businesses did, they have never lost a case, and that— did, they have never lost a case, and that whenever horizon had been investigated it has been found not to have _ investigated it has been found not to have been at fault. we establish none _ to have been at fault. we establish none of— to have been at fault. we establish none of the three things were in the briefing _ none of the three things were in the briefing prepared specifically for the purposes of this meeting, and i think— the purposes of this meeting, and i think you _ the purposes of this meeting, and i think you said you do these thing

seema misra was sentenced to 15 months in prison in 2010 after an audit found apparent discrepanciestage interviews. if we let post office get away with it, tomorrow, it will be a different organisation doing the same thing, because they think, "they can get away with it, so can we." then the world won't be a nice place to live in. people will take the law in their own hands. so we need to show the system that the system does work in the country, there is nobody above the law. and now with a look ahead at the day's weather prospects, here's kawser quamer. hello, good morning. the area of low pressure that brought the rain yesterday continued to clear out into the north sea today, and today we are expecting sunny spells but also some scattered showers, wrapped around this area of low pressure. so they will be heaviest and most frequent across more eastern parts. some decent breaks in the cloud with some sunny spells into the afternoon. temperatures reaching around 17 to maybe 20 celsius. these showers will continue for a time this evening, gradually fading away. 0vernight, it's a case

and i knew about seema misra because my case, which was a huge amount of money.on, what is going on with these supposed masters, the lifeblood _ with these supposed masters, the lifeblood of the system, and i want to find _ lifeblood of the system, and i want to find the — lifeblood of the system, and i want to find the answer is no, not set up a distant _ to find the answer is no, not set up a distant review. you didn't do that, _ a distant review. you didn't do that, did — a distant review. you didn't do that, did you?— a distant review. you didn't do that, did you? you will find cases where i asked _ that, did you? you will find cases where i asked all— that, did you? you will find cases where i asked all sorts _ that, did you? you will find cases where i asked all sorts of - that, did you? you will find cases i where i asked all sorts of questions but where we were dealing with historic cases, they needed to go through a proper review process. you can just as the chief executive asked somebody for their opinion on something, you have to go into it in a huge a