. >> we have one coming off the bus going straight to segregation. that would be inmate timothy schreiber. >> timothy schreiber has transferred here from another state prison. unlike most new arrivals, he is sent immediately to administrative segregation, a 23-hour a day lockup unit for disruptive inmates. >> oh, i get the room with a view, huh? >> at the facility that he was housed at just prior coming to limon, he was found with a weapon, a homemade knife, so he did have some charges that were pending and, as a result, he just went straight into our segregation unit. >> msnbc, any time you need me i'll be here. >> we did learn that schreiber did like to talk. not only to our crew -- >> these people are threatening my very life -- >> he also had a lot to say to the correctional staff helping us set up for the interview. >> i'm sure you just stick that key in there and turn. it's not all that complicated, ma'am. >> oh, my. >> right now i'm really in fear for my life. >> are you ready to go? >> i'm not talking to you. i'm talking to the press right no

i do not believe in segregation for inmates. they need to tear that barrier down and put people together, no matter what. when we go inside the walls of san quentin, it is not just black inmates. it is hispanic, pacific islanders, white, native americans, it is everybody. when they leave that room, they go back to their communities that are segregated. they, too, do not like it. it is a barrier that has to be torn down. i know it works. being in there for the last four years, we make it a point that everybody mixes up, even the seating. you do not just sit with a black person or a white person. it is about all of us, or none of us, and that is the bottom line. it has to be that mentality. >> it is a way to control the prisoners. it takes the pressure off the guards and everybody else. they say we want to stop violence, but you promote a violence by segregating. when an individual comes, the first in the asking, where are you from? what is your nationality? that is how to divide and conquer. that is the way the united states is m

sanctions imposed is 20 days punitive segregation.'m going to give you credit for the three days you served and probate the remaining 17 until march the 11th. okay? >> how do you feel about the results? >> i disagree. but i think that i've put down substantial grounds for an appeal so that i think i may possibly win with that. >>> coming up -- >> i'm just despondent. i'm just about to give up on everything. >> the crackdown at limon could be causing one inmate to crack up. >> i have one photograph of the young man that was taken from this man's segregation cell. >> i'd like to point out -- >> please be quiet at this moment. and stiffness from psoriatic arthritis hit, even the smallest things became difficult. i finally understood what serious joint pain is like. i talked to my rheumatologist and he prescribed enbrel. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffness, and stop joint damage. because enbrel, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal events including infection

we were in ad seg, administrative segregation, the prison within the prison. we started hearing inmates screaming out things and i started to hear them talking about cho-mos, which are sex offenders and then mayhem erupted. [ bleep ] [ bleep ] -- [ bleep ]. >> i believe he threw a liquid substance under the door that smelled somewhat suspicious and we're going to report that. >> jonathan hall, serving 40 years for murder, was one of the first inmates to make it clear we weren't welcome in administrative segregation. >> unless he does calm down and follow our rules and orders, he'll be cell extracted. >> inmate hall won't calm down. so they call in the special response team. and they suit up in their gear. in these situations, when we want to film it, they always have us suit up as well. >> if he doesn't comply at that point, we'll introduce o.c. >> you got it? >> uh-huh. >> inmate hall, come to the door and cuff up. inmate hall, come to the door and cuff up. if you do not cuff up, we will introduce chemical agents. are you going to comply? >> introduce o.c. >>

. >> i'm currently housed in deep segregation for investigation. there was new female staff that started over in unit 4, and my job over in unit 4 was the unit clerk. and they were saying that i was spending way too much time in the office with the new female staff, and i explained that i don't spend anymore time in there with her than i did with any other officer. >> but according to rookie office dawn mcdaniel, hansen did more than spend too much time in the office. >> it was kind of over a couple of day period. just, you know, nonchalant questions here and there and, you know, asking me if i had a man, he'd make me happy, and just out of the blue he offered me a ring and said it was mine if i wanted it. and i was pretty sure i didn't want it. so i had to write a report and turn it in to the shift commander. >> hansen was written up for solicitation of staff. a charge the prison takes very seriously. >> as a department and as a facility, we have zero tolerance for staff becoming involved with offenders in any type of personal relationship. some o

hey, can you go down and pick up inmate holloman for me out of segregation? bring him to my office. we're probably unique in how we deal with the gangs out here. we've accepted the fact that there are going to be gangs and there's nothing we can do about it, so we try to control, you know, what they do. and we use the leaders a lot to control that. most of our leaders here have done a lot of time in our maximum security facility. they don't want to go back. and we hold that over their head. we tell them to keep their people in line or they're the first ones that are going to go down, because we know how gangs work. we know this gang member isn't going to do anything unless he's got it cleared to the top. come on in, have a seat. so you want to give me your story? >> well, i mean, to be honest, i don't really have one. i mean, i feel like this dude is just trying to get out of trouble. he knows who i am and i go under the bus every time. >> who was the other guy? >> wright. >> the other one that got him -- >> yeah. >> was he doing something to him? >> no, i mean, maybe. i mean, every

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. >> this is the segregation unit. it houses murderers, drug dealers, thieves, all troublemakers. these women are locked in their 8 x 8-foot cells 23 hours a day. >> a lot of them complain that the walls are closing in on them, and that's why they're actually seen by mental health staff, you know, at least once, twice a week, sometimes once a month. >> sergeant tracy wright has been at the prison for ten years. she spent the past three working in the segregation unit. >> this particular inmate, she wants to go to mental health. she does this every weekend. she's wanting attention. >> when an inmate here acts out, the officers follow a strict protocol and take no chances. >> we basically take their things, because a lot of times, they'll take some of their personal items or some of the state-issued items and try to tie it around their neck and give the illusion that they might be trying to hang themselves. and some of the inmates even try. >> working in this area, it can be dangerous. we have had some assaults up here. a lot of the inmates up here are violent. >> once a day, the in

you can't be in the security housing unit or administrative segregation.er inmate. you can't be on noncontact status. you can't be a condemned inmate. you can't be life without parole. >> ron golden is serving a 22-year sentence for armed robbery and prison staff assaults. four years ago while at another prison, he married hope golden, a woman he'd known since he was a teenager. he's been at kern valley for just a few months. >> we were corresponding from '98 to 2001, and we became intimate with each other. she wanted to come see me. she knew me from the streets. it just blossomed into something beautiful. we fell in love with each other. >> good morning. >> do you have your i.d.? >> it's in there. >> this will be ron and hope's first family visit at kern valley and the first time they've seen each other in five months. >> the orange shirt can't go in because it's orange. >> okay. now i know, i won't do that. >> okay. and the rollers can't go in either. >> okay. >> i'll give you a bag to put all this stuff in. >> before we were married i was always in a lo

all have to do with defacto segregation, and that is the kind of segregation that we're going to havethe metropolitan cities of the new, new, new soufment and then, of course, there's the entrenchment of rural poverty and the continued association between race and class, which i know that gene can talk about better than i can. >> great, thank you very much, jacquelyn. [applause] so you did, jacquelyn, mention poverty. in fact at one point you said the war on poverty had a lot of successes in the south. so i'm going to turn to you, gene nichol, who is a distinguished law professor and head of the center on poverty, work and opportunity. there hasn't been a lot of talk in this campaign about poverty, but there's been a lot of talk about jobs and about unemployment in the south. expand on what we just heard from jacquelyn. what role does poverty play in the political landscape? and if you want to, talk about how poverty plays off against the middle class and how the middle class is such a factor in this campaign. >> judy, i will do my best to do that. let me say, too, it's great to see y

all have to do with defacto segregation, and that is the kind of segregation that we're going to have to the metropolitan cities of the new, new, new aouth. and then, of course, there's the entrenchment of rural poverty and the continued association between race and class, which i know that gene can talk about better than i can. >> great, thank you very much, jacquelyn. \[applause] so you did, jacquelyn, mention poverty. in fact at one point you said the war on poverty had a lot of successes in the south. so i'm going to turn to you, gene nichol, who is a distinguished law professor and head of the center on poverty, work and opportunity. there hasn't been a lot of talk in this campaign about poverty, but there's been a lot of talk about jobs and about unemployment in the south. expand on what we just heard from jacquelyn. what role does poverty play in the political landscape? and if you want to, talk about how poverty plays off against the middle class and how the middle class is such a factor in this campaign. >> judy, i will do my best to do that. let me say, too, it's great to se

the inmates segregate themselves out here. and the reason being that the gangs want it that way.o a man has no choice but to go with his own type of people. >> it's all run by gangs or at least the gangs think they run the prisons, and then the correctional officers think they run the prison. but everybody gangs up by race and you have to know where you're going. you don't want to go walking in the wrong area of the prison yard because you're on somebody else's turf. >> while inmates can segregate themselves in prison, it's not always that way in county jail. the first stop on the often long road of incarceration for gang members. >> every gang in los angeles county ends up coming here. and we just don't have enough places to segregate everybody and keep them from assaulting each other. and if you get one group that has superior numbers over the other and something sparks off a fight, it's going to be on. >> officials at the los angeles county jail told us racially segregated gangs are responsible for most of the violence including riots, like this one captured on surveillance ta

we don't have to segregate. we don't have problems.ven when we have instances where whites have had problems with blacks and blacks have problems with whites, we usually can work it out and get it talked out so it doesn't escalate into something where we end up having to take a whole cell house and turn it into all whites and then all blacks. we just don't have that problem. >> there's another form of integration at indiana state that goes beyond race. in the residential treatment unit, selected inmates with a history of good behavior live with and serve as mentors to inmates with mental health issues. >> you like working the job? >> yeah, i like it. >> mentors like harold donegan form a very different sort of brotherhood with inmates like frank street. >> they human just like everybody else. some of them just like for you to listen. >> we live in the country. right next door to that is my grandma and grandpa. >> a lot of times i feel their pain. these guys have just terrible histories. it can get frustrating as far as how other people

. >> lieutenant gary burke supervises the segregation unit at pendleton. when an enmate acts out in the general population, he's moved to seg for the safety of offenders and staff. most kids who come here are still a long way from rehabilitation and their defiance can cause added pressure for officers. >> the challenge is bring your "a" game when you come to work. bring your "a" game. >> brown, come on up. >> they look -- in lashing out and they suffer the consequences later but they never think about that until afterwards, of course. i have to tell them all of the time, this is fast. just sit on your hands, keep your mouth quiet, keep your mouth shut and let it pass. and sometimes it gets to them, sometimes it doesn't. >> [ bleep ]. >> i don't want the whole situation to escalate. it doesn't have to. no it does not. >> there ain't no the choice. >> after three years behind bars, this troubled teen has landed in seg more than once. his appetite for mayhem and attention is a continuous struggle but now the situation is much more serious. >> he was you know

jail settings do not. >> we don't segregate by gangs, either.o you could have two bloods and a crip in the same cell. >> for the most part, they've got to get along. they're in a jail system, they're waiting to go to court and be deemed either innocent or guilty. until then, they're going to function in our system the way the sheriff wants it run. >> big bro. i want you to take bam bam. >> sergeant erby leads one of maricopa's special response teams. a s.w.a.t.-like unit of highly trained sheriff's deputies. >> you all want them cuffed and brought out of there? for right now we're going to put them in the holding tank until after we search. >> are we searching first? >> yeah. all right? you've got a green light. all right? let's go. >> now with suspected gang activity on the rise, the team has been called in to clean house. >> how are you doing, man? >> we have identified several individuals that we deem to be heads of certain races. we've got chicano rice. we've got the pisa race. and we've got the white race. so when there's issues, we end up

, you have to segregate an offender in the best interests of everybody else, to keep people safe andeep people from getting hurt. you have to find a balance between keeping people safe, yet also finding a way to offer treatment programs that will make a difference to turn that particular kid around. what are the options out there? what new ideas and creative programming can we come up with? you have to think outside the box and take risks, unfortunately. >> coming up, abel villegas struggles to come to grips with more time behind bars. >> it makes you miss your family a lot. you don't have that much freedom in here. you have people telling when you to eat, when to go to the restroom, when to sleep. it is not right. it is not nice. n help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! wow. it's the honey, it makes it taste so... well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? be happy. be healthy. what's the rush? to find you a great deal, even if it's not with us. [ ding ] oh, that's helpful! well, our company does that, too. actually, we invented that. it's like a sauna in h

king-he said, "i'm not going to segregate my conscience. if i'm against violence at home, i'm against violence abroad." and he went on to say that america was the greatest purveyor of violence in the world. he was-he was a preacher. he was a prophet. amy goodman: do you agree with him? rep. john lewis: i agree with him. amy goodman: that the u.s. is the greatest purveyor of violence. rep. john lewis: we have more- we spend hundreds and thousand, millions and billions of dollars on weaponry. we're supplying the world. we sell arms to everybody. dr. king was saying that we have to put an end to this madness. he was influenced by gandhi, and gandhi said it's nonviolence or nonexistence. dr. king went on to say, "we must learn to live together as brothers and sisters, or we will perish as fools." he was saying, in effect, that we have enough bombs and missiles and guns to destroy the planet. he said it then, and it's still true today. amy goodman: at the time, time magazine called the speech "demagogic slander that sounded like a script for rad

he was given 60 days in segregation and a transfer to a new prison.ty prison he had wanted to go to. >> i think you've worn out your welcome, and i've given you several chances, and i think a change of environment would do you good. >> watch your step there. >> peaches was very disappointed to find out his transfer was going to be to another penitentiary and not the one he hoped for. but in prison you have so little control of your own lives, that most of these guys become very accepting of their fate. they know they only have so much leeway and once a decision is made, they have to go with it. >> i knew it was coming. i knew it was coming. how do i feel? sad. there's not much i can say. i'm still in prison. but everybody up and moves. everybody up and moves. it's probably better off for me. >> coming up -- >> i really wasn't thinking obviously. even the best of us get caught up sometimes. and for the first time in my life my conscience didn't kick in and just say, don't do it. >> once a role model, a young woman faces prison time for a fatal act of a

the district court of northern alabama vacated the egg regaition system -- segregation system meaning no longer dual, no longer separate. as a slave-holding nation dedicated to the principle all men are created equal, america built its house on two fundamental unreconcilable ideas. the particular chapter of the struggle that pertains to bastavia hills began in 1954 with the landmark case of brown v. board of education. brown's sweeping -- the solution we came up with was this: the school bus. in the same decade that america put a human being on the moon, our nation's finest minds could offer no better fix for 400 years of slavery and segregation, just some nervous old white guy and a jalopy going could be the mountain with everybody screaming for him to slow the hell down. [laughter] so the next section is more about new york, and it pertains to the advertising industry. i worked in advertising for nine years, and it's one of the probably biggest reasons i don't know any black people. [laughter] nine agencies in -- sorry, five agencies in nine years, and i can count the number of blac

only attended segregated school. but in those schools, we had people who cared. we had teachers who cared. but they all -- one thing they drilled in to us in the church, in our homes with and in the school was that they expected us to do good. they expected us to go and do good and reach back and help others. [applause] >> you say the country right now day three of the huge typier strike in chicago. a battle right now for the soul of education public education. so your daddy was killed by white folk. yes. >> go back to that time and what happened what you know about what happened and how your family worked through that. >> that happen at the time when a look back at the days, my father seemed to be about as happy as any man could be. he had convinced my mother, tried one more time for the son. [laughter] ifers a senior in high school, my youngest sister was eight. he wanted to try one more time. he knew it was a boy. in fact he stayed -- we were concerned and one day at school my best friend asked me how is your mom. i said she doesn't seem to be getting any bett

now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever. >> segregation forever.ensive comment like that

now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever. >> segregation forever.ensive comment like that compared to the chicago teachers fighting for job securities and benefits and fighting for the

. >> assault to avoid a issue or me getting cuffed up and taken to segregation or causing a securityue and everybody getting caught down and catching a write-up over it, i choose to stay in my cell. take one whole sausage, slice it up like he has, long ways and you make quarters out of them and you cut that completely in half. sometimes i'll put honey on the sausage and put the cheese over the top of it and then cook it in a microwave for a minute so it melts it down and it makes a pretty good meal. it's better than the food they serve you in the chow hall. >> cooking in his cell is just one way he combats the pain of prison life. others seek ways to express their individuality. but david took things to a level unlike anything ever witnessed by "lockup" producers. >> i tattooed red the whites of my eyes. >> why? >> i don't know. the question is why not? everybody's got tattoos. everybody's got stretched ears. everybody's got this and that. you never seen anybody with the whites of their eyes tattooed. >> except for his cellmate, paul inman. >> it's like the final frontier. nobody has

paul, minnesota, and segregating them from white children.melissa dobbs was also a student in the class. what did you think when he put you and the other black children in the back of the room, what did it make you think about yourself? >> like i wasn't smart enough, or i'm not good enough -- i'm not good enough for me to be with the other children, the other white children. >> reporter: the children say at first they were afraid to tell their parents and grandparents, but they ultimately did, after they say they were repeatedly called stupid, sloppy and disgusting. why do you think he was so mean to you? >> because we was black and he was white. >> reporter: it's not just students and relatives who are speaking out about olmstead. do you work at the same school where timothy olmstead worked? >> i do. >> reporter: jennifer couture is a teacher who substituted for the class one day when olmstead was out. she worries school administrators might punish her for speaking to us about him but backs up what these children told us. when you took over

-- but we did not have segregated roads, which you do have in the occupied territories.oads that only jewish settlers can use and palestinians have these tracks, these little paths obstructed by boulders. and that is how they are supposed to move around for the most part. in the and fairness of its is so much like -- and the unfairness of it is so much like the south, 50 years ago, really, and more brittle because in palestine, selling more people are wounded, shot, killed, in prisons. there are thousands of palestinians in prison virtually for no reason. >> to phyllite public opinion is changing in the u.s.? >> i do feel public opinion is changing and that is i think because people have decided we are all in such danger, all in harm's way. people are awakening to the fact unless we take care of each other, nobody is safe. there will never be safety. >> alice walker, we're going to take a break. then i would ask you about your thoughts on president obama, the election, and i would like to ask you to read your latest poll of. alice walker is with us for the hour. stay wit

can't be segregated any more. i got my g.e.d. that's a big deal.er thought i was going to get my g.e.d. >> today, after a year behind bars, jones is set to be a free man. despite his split from the aryan nation, he will return home to an environment that still sees black and white. >> they've got to get over it, i guess. nothing they can do about it. it's not a subject. they don't like it, they don't have to associate with me. it's on them. i'm completely different. i was hateful. i was just -- i was pretty much a bad person when i first got in the department of corrections. changed it now. i'm done. >> he grew up down south and around white people and that kind of environment and stuff, so i mean i can't blame him for choosing what he did. he's changed a lot. from what he said he's done with all the white supremacist stuff and all that. so i don't know if he's serious or not, but that's what he says. so it's going to be a little more boring around here. but he's going home. that's a good thing. >> while jones works through the mental issues of goi

were they segregated?>> guest: yeah. >> caller: were they, in some instances less likely to be allowed to buy a ticket? how does that work, and if it was fabricated in some sense of the word -- segregate inside some sense of the world, when did it change? >> guest: that's a good, that's a real good question, and it leads to a meandering on my part. in the south, certainly, they would be segregated and, of course, they were segregated to the extent of having their own leagues, you know? but the only major league grandstand or ballpark where the seating was selling regated -- segregated was in st. louis. now, why is that significant? well, because people say landis is blocking the game. and until he's dead, the game isn't integrated. well, there's two things which precede the death of landis. one is world war ii where are you going to -- what are you going to do in the middle of a war? and, two, ricky, before he's working in brooklyn which is maybe the most liberal city which you can pull this off on integra

ended up getting a year of segregation. he's going to long-term segregation.he's going to get shipped out. he still has problems that he has to face here, even though he says he doesn't have to deal with them or there's no problems, he has problems. >> i try not to have regrets in life. but i kind of regret this move. brandy -- we still talk and we still communicate and stuff. but my family's like real, real mad at her and stuff because of the situation. but she just signed up for college today to start college. maybe she'll get her life straight, too. >> so, was it worth it? >> no, it wasn't worth it. might have been worth it at that minute, but it wasn't worth it. in the long run, no, it wasn't worth it.

when you grow up under segregation use the founding document as the point* to think segregation is right. finance ingrained it in us with our faith in god. they did not have to go to the bible but to the founding document. that is always something you carry with you. when you are treated badly. to say it affected your self-esteem. it did not affect my at no point* to in dade number one did we know that we were equal. my grandfather said so and so did the declaration of independence. them may have taken jim crow laws but no matter how contradictory, it starts there. then again at eeoc. who knows how i became a judge. i was only interested with all the problems of the country, the same set made us worth having. then you come to the understanding the founding document is a wonderful thing. that was the mid 1980's worried more about the budget and getting in trouble over age discrimination than a voyage was a great consequence but spent eight hour after hour with the things that you write about and speak so eloquently, for me, that such a document to go to gettysburg and of the carnage and t