in the deepest recesses of the jim crow baltimore was segregated, washington dc was segregated. but they were not segregated in the same way that rural north carolina was segregated at that time. of course thurgood marshall was no stranger to segregation and the ravages of segregation on a young schoolboy, but he was abosolutely shocked at what they found. these buildings even mocked the very notion of being schools, ofbeing places of education for young children. man's voice: is your school a wooden structure? boy's voice: yes it's wood man: is any part of it brick or stone? boy: no sir man: do you have an auditorium? boy: no sir man: do you have indoor drinking fountains? boy: no sir man: what do you use? boy: water pumps and water buckets man: is there a desk for each child? boy: no sir man: do you have teachers for every grade? boy: no sir man: do you have indoor toilets? boy: no sir rawn james: an astounding act of courage. houston and marshal traveled down throughthe south. and these are the days before the eisenhower interstate system. so they went in between what i would

by flooding the segregation unit. the targets of the discontent include the prison's sex offenders. >> it's not the neighborhood that's so bad, it's the neighbors. >> it's my duty to put the fear of god into this man. >> the special response team is called into action. [ bleep ] and another inmate nears the end of his sentence. >> you got 60 days to polish you up. i don't know if we can do it. >> welcome to my life. >>> now i'm just finishing up some last-minute paperwork before the bus gets here. >> the bus meaning? >> the bus bringing new arrivals to the facility. and then once they get here, all the excitement starts. >> every week, dozens of new inmates arrive at limon correctional facility. a level 4 prison located on the barren plains of eastern colorado. the prison sits on 320 acres and houses inmates in six different living units. >> the type of offenders that we have at limon are violent offenders. we have 64% violent. 244 of our offenders are serving a life sentence. limon has had a reputation of being a vio

sanctions imposed is 20 days punitive segregation.'m going to give you credit for the three days you served and probate the remaining 17 until march the 11th. okay? >> how do you feel about the results? >> i disagree. but i think that i've put down substantial grounds for an appeal so that i think i may possibly win with that. >>> coming up -- >> i'm just despondent. i'm just about to give up on everything. >> the crackdown at limon could be causing one inmate to crack up. >> i have one photograph of the young man that was taken from this man's segregation cell. >> i'd like to point out -- >> please be quiet at this moment. we live in a pick and choose world. choose, choose, choose. but at beedtime? why settle for this? enter sleep number and the ultimate sleep number event, going on now. sleepiq technology tells you how well you slept and what adjustments you can make. you like the bed soft. he's more hardcore. so your sleep goes from good to great to wow! only at a sleep number store. right now save 50% on the ultimate limited editi

that's basically what happened. >> speaking of segregation and a segregated society, do you remember the brown decision, may '54, do you remember hearing about it at the time? >> no. >> just passed by? >> no, you have to remember in the south in those days, a lot of that stuff, no, you would not get a lot of coverage. we didn't have tv and it wasn't really on radio. i vaguely remember -- i tell you what i remember. i remember the schools being closed in appomattox. a lot of concern in appomattox. i remember the brown decision when i went away to virginia state college. and this is why i remember. they asked all of us, when we went home, to bring back the books that we had in high school, to give to kids in the state who were not allowed to go to school because the schools had been shut down because of brown. and i was astounded. because appomattox was right next door to lynchburg. and so here you are saying the schools are going to be closed. and let's give them our books, our old books. and so then in college, that's when i really learned about what had happened with the brown decis

segregation was the way it was. i didn't know any different, but i had parents and teachers and people in the community who shielded us from the harshness of segregation and taught us how to with dignity. marylen harmon has been working with mike stevens and others with the city of salem and the salem school division to produce a video documentary. they will screen the carver project for the first time on monday night at 6:30 in the carver elementary school gym. it's 66 minutes long and includes interviews with more than two dozen teachers, parents, students and coaches, including three who have died since they were interviewed. joe dashiell wdbj7. a super bowl champion made his way back home this afternoon to bassett high school . devone claybrooks - a member of the tampa bay buccaneers super bowl 37 team - was given a warm welcome by students for the presentation of the golden football. in celebration of super bowl 50 this year, the high school of every nfl player who played in a super bowl was presented with a go

these advances were only going to go so far in the face of segregation. otis mason - 01:11:59:20 - i could not attend the university of florida. i went down for an interview . it was very interesting about the results of my visit there. i was told that i spoke very well. that's all i heard.. thomas jackson - 00:49:18:00 - my father was a teacher and he was told that if he participated in the movement, he would lose his job. narr - fearing retribution. many of st. augustine's middle class blacks were either hesitant or silent about the growing civil rights movement. there needed to be a new front opened in the fight against segregation, and there was no better place to do it than in a city about to celebrate its 400th birthday. video out - tag tim: the story doesn't end there. on our untold journey... we'll go back to the intense summer of 19-63. jenna: coming up in sports...the state dual wrestling tournament gets underway tomorrow at the we'll take a look at our teams competing up ahead. tim: plus...peter jok has become a key part of the hawkeyes attack

hey, can you go down and pick up inmate holloman for me out of segregation? bring him to my office. we're probably unique in how we deal with the gangs out here. we've accepted the fact that there are going to be gangs and there's nothing we can do about it, so we try to control, you know, what they do. and we use the leaders a lot to control that. most of our leaders here have done a lot of time in our maximum security facility. they don't want to go back. and we hold that over their head. we tell them to keep their people in line or they're the first ones that are going to go down, because we know how gangs work. we know this gang member isn't going to do anything unless he's got it cleared to the top. come on in, have a seat. so you want to give me your story? >> well, i mean, to be honest, i don't really have one. i mean, i feel like this dude is just trying to get out of trouble. he knows who i am and i go under the bus every time. >> who was the other guy? >> wright. >> the other one that got him -- >> yeah. >> was he doing something to him? >> no, i mean, maybe. i mean, every

so, people have a tendency to segregate them, life for the business that villages was very interesting. the mill owners provided them with their houses, but the built wayschools, that the operatives could live a reasonably normal life together. and they provided entertainment. baseball became a huge venue, and the southern league, which was created here, became an enormous textile baseball league. shoeless joe jackson grew up as a small boy in the mill village. years,rew into his teen he played baseball. he was so good, that the mill itself gave him time off so he could baseball. he was the star. then he went on to play for semipro, and then of course professional teams. there were other things. provided golf courses and tennis. there was a lot for them to do to entertain social they were -- entertain themselves when they were not working in the mill. i'm a firm believer that greenville is where it is today, as far as a successful, growing, progress community. that foundation is in the exile industry. this was the first layer of real leadership that led to greenville growing. the sad t

they're a response to, okay, they're a response to the fact that we've been segregated against. those things. right? >> larry: it's like ebony. how come there are all people in "ebony?" because there is a magazine called "life." >> also, just to clear this up. she's wrong. black people are not the only people that can get b.e.t. awards and image awards. sandra bullock was nominatedded for an image award. >> larry: but she has a black kid. >> i think george lucas won one. >> yes! >> larry: but he has a black wife. >> okay, okay, larry! >> awards shows, they give artists confidence, recognition, affirmation. and more than, that like, it says we don't need the affirmation of the main stream, you know. and i think by just saying that i may have gotten a little closer to getting a b.e.t. award. what do you think? >> larry: do you think those awards shows keep us out of the main stream? like people say, "well, they already got the b.e.t. awards?" >> no, the oscars and b.e.t. awards have coexisted peacefully for many, many years. >> larry: the oscars and the b.e.t. awards. >> b.e.t. ar

others say, look, this is nothing more than segregation. so far 13 students have applied to live in the dorm. > by the way, the graduation rate for all u connecticut students is 82 percent. the graduation rate for plaque men at u connecticut is only 54 percent. this has sparked a loft controversy. what if you were to say we're going to have an all white dorm. people would say that's segregation, some of the folks or the students on campus who want to participate say it's not segregation because they signed up voluntarily to be a are the pennsylvania of the prram. so i can see this from both ways. if you're going to say this is just for black men, people are going to get upset if you say this is only for white women. >> they're doing it for the right reason, to try to get the graduation rate up. the organizers are saying when you take you connecticut that is predominately white there are some things that they might be able to face better together with a support system. you can definitely see both sides. > there is something about sharing wit

people have a tendency to segregate them. life in the mill villages was very interesting to the operatives. the mill owners provided the operatives with not only houses, but they build churches, the schools, ways that the operatives could live a reasonably normal life together. and it provided them with entertainment. baseball became a huge venue. the southern league was treated here. it became in a norma's textile baseball league. shoeless joe jackson came from here. he grew up as a small boy in a mill village. as he grew into his teen years he played baseball for the mill. he was so good that the mill itself gave him time off so he could play baseball. he was the star. and then he went to play for semi pro teams and then professional teams. provided most of these mills with golf courses for the operatives. they had tennis in some cases. they had plays, and of course church. there was a lot for them to do to entertain themselves when they were not working in the mills. i am a firm believer that greenville is where it is toda

want to go to administrative segregation? >> not at this time. >> we'll note it on the lockup order. basically what happened was an inmate was assaulted in the gym, right? after we did a thorough search, pants located in your laundry bag contained suspected blood stains on the pants. so therefore, pending investigation, you're going to administrative segregation. because right now if we keep you in the gym, you jeopardize the integrity of the investigation. >> so i'm being written up for the fight? >> yeah. so that's what's going to happen. all righty? i'll get an officer to get you some clothes here in just a minute. >> with a white suspect and a southern hispanic victim, officers are wary of retaliation that could explode into a race riot. >> hey, step outside for me real quick. how many south siders? you've got two south siders over there? what's dude that came from level one? is that him? >> he's right here. actually, he's right here. out with these white boys right here. >> yeah. and then the dude to his right is a south

in those days many of those apartments were segregated.ack couple, husband and wife, to an apartment. do you have any apartments available? the guy would say we don't. an hour later we would send the white couple and say we have all kinds of apartments available. then we got focused on -- it was that the university of chicago end the segregated housing. the schools were pretty segregated. i got involved in that.ç that's where i got arrested. >> let's take a look where you stood up against a guy who showed bigotry. >> is there any shocking doubt the same people that would vote to cut defense 177 billion, the same ones that would put homos in the military and not fund -- >> mr. chairman. >> no i will not. sit down you socialist. >> my ears may have been playing a trick on me but i thought i heard the gentleman say something quote, unquote about homos in the military. was i right in hearing that? >> absolutely. putting homosexuals in the military. >> was the gentlemen referring to the many thousands and thousands of gay people who have put t

these advances were only going to go so far in the face of segregation. otis mason - 01:11:59:20 - i could not attend the university of florida. i went down for an interview . it was very interesting about the results of my visit there. i was told that i spoke very well. that's all i heard.. thomas jackson - 00:49:18:00 - my father was a teacher and he was told that if he participated in the movement, he would lose his job. narr - fearing retribution. many of st. augustine's middle class blacks were either hesitant or silent about the growing civil rights movement. there needed to be a new front opened in the fight against segregation, and there was no better city about to celebrate its 400th video out - tag sabrina: on america's untold story of the journey right here on local five. we wrap up our series with the final instllment next monday here on good morning iowa.. on our next installment of america's untold journey... we'll go back to the intense summer of 19-63....as the civil rights movement heats up in saint augustine, florida. look for that here

if an inmate violates rules in segregation, he winds up in disciplinary ad seg where even most reading material is considered contraband. >> that's evidence about the -- i'm telling you -- that's evidence, man. you know you violating the law. you ain't got no business [ bleep ] with my legal [ bleep ]. you know it's against the law to do what you're doing, bitch. >> i've been there. i'm still here. 25 years. >> you better get your ass out there. >> 25 years i've been here. >> we'll see if you're still going to be here. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. i don't care nothing about you. you ain't [ bleep ] me, bitch. >> every day we're going to take care of you. he's not happy. he had a copy of a quarterly newsletter that our department puts out. it's put out for the employees. it's not even put out for the inmates. i don't know where he got it from and it's not something he's allowed to have in his cell. he started claiming it was evidence in a legal trial that he was in and that's why he got mad. when somebody talks to you like that your first reaction is getting mad. in this job, you hear that eve

by flooding the segregation unit. targets of the discontent include the prison's sex offenders. >> it's not the neighborhood that's so bad, it's the neighbors. >> it's my duty to put the fear of god into this man. >> the special response team is called into action. [ bleep ] and another inmate nears the end

housed in solitary cells in the administrative segregation unit. a literal prison within a prison. >> these offenders are the worst of the worst for indiana. conduct's what's put them over there. they did assaults, brought drugs into the institution. they're troublemakers, the ones that go around extorting people, blackmailing people, they're the ones that end up over here in the administration segregation unit. >> inmates are confined to their cells for 23 hours per day, with only one hour allotted for exercise. built up tensions can sometimes explode. >> it's aggressive, it's dangerous, it's violent. you can come out on the range and he may have had bad news from home, from his mother and he tries to take it out on you. this is the jungle of indiana state prison. >> in this noisy, hostile environment, our producer spotted an older, white haired man serenely walking the tier showing no fear for his safety. >> what are you doing? are you doing all right? >> good. >> i'm from south bend, indiana, notre dame and just sort of talking to the men. i mea

segregation was the reality. make it ok, that is just the way it was. and so, once you have is bob jones senior, and the jones thely come from not just south, but from the deep south, from alabama. you have the civil rights movement starting and things begin to change, and integration is going to start taking place nationally, especially in the south, where the focus is. the university actually integrates, only a few years after other colleges and universities in south carolina. integration really was never the issue. the issue is how do you handle race was an integrated student body? ,he administration as the time it was still bob jones junior who would have been president, the response apparently was to keep a stage of the all segregated world, which was represented by the anti-miscegenation laws, the vans on interracial marriage. the administration basically framed and as a religious liberty issue. that was the argument that they made by 1964, the civil rights act had passed, and the pressure was you cannot do this, and keep your tax exemption. a tax

never totally segregated in terms of living. i can recall when i was a kid on the corner of, what is now ml king and lincoln street, there were a couple of grocery stores located in the immediate neighborhood that were owned and operated by jewish families. essie bush oh we were a close- knit family of people. now i had fun in lincolnville, now otis mason we were not totally segregated, white families lived in the community as well. while its influence on the local economy grew these advances were only going to go so far in the face of segregation. otis mason i could not attend the university of florida. i went down for an interview it was very interesting about the results of my visit there. i was told that i spoke very well. thomas jackson my father was a teacher and he was told that if he participated in the movement, he would lose his job. fearing retribution many of st. augustine's middle class blacks were either hesitant or silent about the growing civil rights movement. there needed to be a new front opened in the fight a

these advances were only going to go segregation. otis mason - 01:11:59:20 - i could not attend the university of florida. i went down for an interview . it was very interesting about the results of my visit there. i was told that i spoke very well. that's all i heard.. thomas jackson - 00:49:18:00 - my father was a teacher and he was told that if he participated his job. narr - fearing retribution. many of st. augustine's middle class blacks were either hesitant or silent about the growing civil rights movement. there needed to be a new front opened in the fight against segregation, and there was no better place to do it than in a city about to celebrate its 400th birthday. ((brian loftus)) > the story doesn't end there. on our next installment of america's untold journey... we'll go back to the intense summer of 19-63. and make sure to catch our special this saturday at nine...fight here on 8 news now./// ((kirsten joyce)) > he is going back to cali, cali, cali... to host the grammy awards! ((brian loftus)) coming up at 6:00... ll

in much of the country deprived of the right to vote to run for office segregated in public spaces in schools. a. philip randolph who at the time was perhaps the most widely known african-american leader. he was a union leader and a civil rights leader and he called for this march in 1941 to protest the contradiction in the democracy so they were demanding equal access into the armed forces. they were demanding equal access to defense jobs and the right to vote, a whole are afraid of demands. it was called, the reason was called off is at the last minute initially president roosevelt refused to meet with a. philip randolph. he refused to meet any of his demands. he said we cannot integrate the armed forces at a time we are under national merchant sea. we cannot force private companies to hire people. we can't tell them about their employment decisions. and so he said we can't meet your demands but at the last minute when it became clear that tens of thousands, perhaps 100,000 african-americans were going to march on the nation's capital in the middle of this mobilization for the secon

they were segregated because of neighborhood segregation. charlotte was another center of controversy. the federal courts ordered that black students beat bused from black neighborhoods into white neighborhoods. black students beat bused from black schools into white schools. in order to engineer integration. these policies sparked intense opposition. particularly in south boston neighborhoods filled with white irish catholic bostonians. they objected to the appearance of black students in their schools. this is what it looks like. the buses had police escorts. the people in south boston lined the streets and gather at the school as these buses came into their neighborhoods they threw a rock so the buses and they threw bananas at the buses. they yelled racial slurs at the black students. they did not want these black children coming into their neighborhoods. the opposition to busing and deceiving racial hatred in boston at this time was memorialized in this pulitzer prize winning photograph in 1976. he called it the soiling of old glory. a b

so people have a tendency to segregate them. life in the mill villages was very interesting to the operatives. the mill owners provided the mill operatives with not only their houses, that they built churches, they built the things inhey built ways where the operatives could live in a reasonable, normal life together. and they provided entertainment. baseball became a huge venue. the southern league, which was created here, he came -- became an enormous baseball league. joe jackson came from here in the mill village. when he grew into his teenage years, he played baseball. it selfo good, the mill gave him time off so he could play baseball and he was the give him time off so he could play baseball and he was the star. but there were other things. the owners provided most of these mills with golf courses for the operatives, they had tennis in some cases, a head plays, and of course, church. so there was a lot for them to do to entertain themselves when they were not working in a mill. i am a firm believer that greenville is where

and so he talked with me when he was up on the segregation unit and he said, you know, i really want chance at the rtu unit, i want to start making changes in my life. you know, we're pretty particular about who we take in. the bottom line on this unit is that there can be no violence. >> i think this unit is the vehicle that i've been waiting for. i think that i'm ready for it because now that my system is beginning to settle, this will be the best time to capitalize at this moment. >> remember, you're trying to change your path. you've been going down a certain road for many years and you're trying to walk a different road. all right. do your time a little differently than you have in the what, last eight or nine years? you're going to be one of our stars. >> that's right. >> i know that. i know that. okay? >> i can come up here and i can get my stuff together. so i won't have to relapse back into a condition that forbids me from being this free again. there is that form of freedom up here. so i come out here and play basketball by myself, about half hour to an hour as long as it t

these advances were only going to go so far in the face of segregation. otis mason - 01:11:59:20 - i could not attend the university of florida. i went down for an interview . it was very interesting about the results of my visit there. i was told that i spoke very well. that's all i heard.. thomas jackson - 00:49:18:00 - my father was a teacher and he was told that if he participated in the lose his job. retribution. many of class blacks were either hesitant or silent about the growing civil rights movement. there needed to be a the fight against segregation, and there was no better place to do it than in a city about to celebrate its 400th birthday. video out - tag sabrina: look for more on america's untold story of the journey right here on local five. we wrap up our series with the final instllment next monday here on good morning iowa.. coming up america's untold journey... we'll go back to the intense summer of 19-63....as the civil rights movement heats up in saint augustine, florida. look for that here on good morning iowa next week. sabrina we ha

washington academics was a segregated as any other at that time. i asked my father, what were the issues when he arrived here in 1947? and he said, the big question in the city was, what george washington university lose their auditorium, and be open for everyone. the answer during his lifetime here was, no, it remained a segregated facility. so universities, the universities that we see now, georgetown, american university, george washington, they were exclusively white institutions. university of maryland, college park, my father was the first black professor there in 1964. when we arrived in hyattsville, there is a crisis of a black family moving in. the neighborhood demands to meet with the industry department to ask, who are these negroes moving and? where the coming? how long of a saying and how many children did they have? i moved into a hostile place. i did not think i would ever want to live here. nobody spoke to us. i have lived in hostile new york, but i had not experienced this. joe: what was the significance, what do you think came out

>> well, i mean you know, it was de facto segregation. but, you know, even inside of the black community, there were all these lines. lines about class, lines about color. you know, we're different colors. my brother had blue eyes, and my brother's coloring was a lot like yours, my late brother deavere smith. and so i didn't like that idea, that, "you can't go here, you can't go there." and then i had a great opportunity to go to western high school, it was a public school. baltimore was also very anti-semitic so sort of the word on the street was if you want your kids to have a good education, go wherever the jewish kids are going. and so it was at western going to school with white girls, some jewish and some not, i saw that, wow, white people don't get along. because the anti-semitism was so extraordinary. >> did you see a difference in the way that your brother was treated growing up versus you, because of the difference in your appearance? >> i think it was actually very complicated for him. because he-- >> for him? >> well, you know

early on the streetcars were segregated by gender. over time they become segregated by race. ida b wells but the first-class ticket. she tries to get on the first-class car. the conductor asks her to move to the smoking car. she refuses. she was a tiny woman. only five foot tall. she was very opinionated. she was very persistent. she was literally physically and forcibly removed from the car. the conductor tried to get her -- to pull her out of the seat. she bit his hand. she was literally hanging on. he brought two other men in. she was literally hanging on and the conductor and the men were able to tear her out of her seat. basically rather than go to the smoker car she decides to get off the train. she believes this is an infringement of her rights and insult to her personhood. she sued the railroad. the state ruled in her favor. there was a state law that required the railroad company to furnish white and black passengers with separate but equal first-class cars. they gave her an award of $200. one year later she was refused entry again. she could not get into the first-c

if he sends a letter through to other inmates who are being released from segregation, then they'll bringe to me and i'll read it, i'll address it and then i'll have to wait until someone from population is going to segregation, take him the letter that i wrote. i miss doing music with him, too. we just collaborate and i guess i just make his stuff sound better. ♪ since i wrote this song >> when we get together, music just comes, you know what i'm saying? >> eric struggles to cope in general population. and back in ad seg, the isolation is clearly taking its toll on anthony. >> well, right now i don't really know what's going on. i can't put the puzzle together because i don't know why it happened and it happened so fast. you know what i'm saying? things were going good for me and then all of a sudden all hell breaks loose. they have me in this little bitty ass cell. it's so hot in here, right. i don't know how long i'm going to be in here. >> in ad seg inmates are housed in their cells 23 hours a day. men here spend their days with limited human contact. >> this is the dead. i mean, to m

she was not on that bus, she was n orleans parish prison, arrested for protesting outside a segregated wool worth's department store. she is quoted as saying, i was the kind of kid who would move up the colored sign on the buses. i would use the white restroom or water fountain. if i got caught i'd say, flippantly, i just wanted to taste that white water. julia passed away on january 26, in stone mountain, georgia, of cancer, she was 72 years old. our country is a much better place because of the sacrifices julia made in her lifetime. our sympathy and prayers are with her family today. i yield back, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. for what purpose does the gentleman from texas seek recognition? >> mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute and revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i am humbled to represent thousands of teachers and firefighters and law enforcement officers across the fourth district of texas who have de

the establishment was segregated. and he gave that kind of speech. that had to be -- i'm sorry, but it certainly was not his audience. am i over exaggerating this? dr. franklin? dr. franklin: not at all. but we grew up being able to function in two societies. joe: how does that apply to what we heard? dr. franklin: we grew up being able to function in the black community, and he went to boston university. he can function in white academia. washington's academic community was a segregated as any other at that time. i asked my father what were the issues when he arrived here in 1947? and he said the big question in the city was would george washington university lose their auditorium and be open for everyone. the answer during his lifetime here was no, it remained a segregated facility. so universities, the universities that we see now, georgetown, american university, george washington, they were exclusively white institutions. university of maryland, college park. my father was the first black professor there in 1964. when we arrived in hyattsville,

we don't have to segregate. we don't have problems.have instances where whites have had problems with blacks and blacks have problems with whites, we can usually work it out and get it talked out so it doesn't escalate into something where we end up having to take a whole cell house and turn it into all whites and then all blacks. we just don't have that problem. >> there's another form of integration at indiana state that goes beyond race. in the residential treatment unit, selected inmates with a history of good behavior live with and serve as mentors to inmates with mental health issues. >> you like working the job? >> yeah, i like it. >> mentors like this man form a very different sort of brotherhood with inmates like frank street. >> they're like everybody else. some of them just like for you to listen. >> we live in the country. right next door to that is my grandma and grandpa. >> a lot of times i feel their pain. these guys have had just terrible histories. it can get frustrating as far as how other people look at them. my job

i been in segregation three years. i don't blame nobody else. because i had an opportunity to get out of here. i let my anger and things get to me that i shouldn't have. and as a result of that, i'm still here. >> i can't say i'm sane. i'm pretty off balance, but i keep it in a certain amount of control. >> another inmate at kentucky state penitentiary who is no stranger to cell extractions is victor hiatt. prior to interviewing him, our producer was duly warned. >> victor hiatt is a very, very dangerous individual. probably the most dangerous individual in this institution. >> i remember watching victor being led to the interview. and he had such an intense security detail that it almost felt like i was about to interview hannibal lecter, quite frankly. he was cuffed behind his back. but i'll never forget, it was like a normal, fiberglass and metal cafeteria chair. there was nothing special about that chair. and he wasn't chained to the chair itself. the chair was not secured to the ground in any way. i start to think to myself, here i am about

we haven't dealt with the hard parts of our history of segregation. we like to celebrate the civil rights movement. we talk about it like it's this triumph of heroic black people doing extraordinary things. and heroic black people did do some extraordinary things, but there was opposition to civil rights. there was resistance to civil rights by elected officials. and if you don't know that resistant story, if you don't know how that continued past the 1960s into the 1970s, you can't understand mass incarceration and excessive punishment today. and at each point of these historical eras, people who identified with law enforcement, they were the foot soldiers empowered to sustain this racial hierarchy. they were the ones who were maintaining the rules of slavery. they tracked the-- >> explicitly or implicitly? do you think they knew that. that "that's one of my jobs here"? >> oh, absolutely. i mean, during the era of slavery, it was the law enforcement that would chase the fugitive slaves into the north and bring them back. they were the ones that would

when dixie crats nominated their president sales exploded and it was the symbol of segregation.south carolina, the confederate flag received new prominence in 1962 when it was raised over the state house in an act of defiance over the civil rights movement. >> not everyone in south carolina is still living in the 18th acceptedury. >> reporter: four years later, south carolina legislators reached a compromise. the flag was moved from the top of the state house to the south side of the complex, next to a monument to confeder u soldiers. georgia's flag incorporated the confederate cross but was redesigned. mississippi's plastic bag contains the confederate scprorks voters decided 2:1 to keep the emblem as part of the flag >>> embattled flag - this time on the programme we are joined by bertram hays davis, president of the bovoer foundation, dedicated to the preservation of jefferson's southern culture, a great grandson of the president of the united states, and reverend nelson rivers, past or of charity missionary baptist church in south carolina. reverend, were you surprised that

otis mason 00:06:02:00lincolnville was never totally segregated in terms of living. i can recall when i was a kid on the corner of, what is now ml king and lincoln street, there were a couple of grocery stores located in the immediate neighborhood that were owned and operated by jewish families. essie bush 01:38:32:12 - oh we were a close-knit family of people. now i had fun in lincolnville, now otis mason 0006:29:12 - we were not totally segregated, white families lived in the community as well. narr 21 - while its influence on the local economy grew going to go so far in the face of segregation.otis mason 01:11:59:20 - i could not attend the university of florida. i went down for an interview interesting about the results of my visit there. i was told that i spoke very well. that's all i heard.thomas jackson 00:49:18:00 - my father was a teacher and he was told that if he participated in the movement, he would lose his job. narr - fearing retribution many of st. augustine's middle class blacks were either hesitant or silent about the growing civil rights movement.