to make it 10 calls and sometimes you talk to one person who leads to another and that is how this seibald. this also benefit did from the fact the koch brothers spent many years suing a the heck out of each other. [laughter] so there was the huge vapor trail that few people had taken a chance to look at. so you have the depositions that are incredible. this was the difficult time period getting into the most intimate family secrets you would not want to tell anyone what along the judge and jury. so that allow me to get it into their mind at points where there were no human resources to tell me what happened in the boardroom when you fired your brother. >> you talk about how they have tried to retaliate when they saw something as negative. have they come after you? >> honestly they haven't and from what i have heard from friends of the koch brothers day fake it is fair they did not like some of it but they did not think there were in the cheap shots. but you are right for the company has i would say brushed reporters off the plate is the way i describe it they do that through a web site ca