howard schmidt, seibu security coordinator for the white house and assistant to the president is our guest. siobhan gorman for "the wall street journal" is our guest reporter. >> one of the other issues that has come up in the legislative proposal was the white house puts a lot of stock in the role of the department homeland security, and i talked to some of the lawmakers who have hesitation about that because the field with the dhs is still even nearly a decade old not quite yet and still kind of a young agency, and cybersecurity is an even newer responsibility for it whereas the national security agency has been doing this for decades. i'm just wondering why focus so much on the department of homeland security and how were you responding to the concerns from lawmakers because i assumed this comes up from time to time in discussions with the administration. >> we look to the different parts of government. you mentioned the the national security agency which for long as the great technical capabilities it said many times as i need someone to protect the system they are the folks i wo

general alexander is the head of the seibu command, and they do a very good job as can be done on the network on the military networks, but we don't have that same robust authority and coordination in protecting the network and there's a lot to be done. >> where are most of these attacks coming from? >> a variety of sources and i don't want to -- it's not only about the tax. in looking at the cyber intrusion or the tax being the worst that could happen most of also are familiar with cyber intrusions and people think of things like going in hacking into our e-mail or spamming the list. the intrusions can be much more serious. the espionage, criminal law activity, the banking system where there are millions of not billions of dollars that are stolen every year so that is a problem in conducting the banking system and espionage, defense contractors and the critical information being stolen, some of which is a classified level or will eventually become classified. there is a real problem. the area of attack somewhat gratuitously but the potential of this that a nation state or terrorist c