his adversary, john seiko, is serving a six-year sentence for sexual assault.ameras were there when officers interrogated them about the fight. >> what was this all about? >> well, he's a rapist. i was talking with an inmate in the meal line about it with him. >> you were talking about his crime with a prisoner. >> yeah, yeah. i was talking with another prisoner about him being a rapist. and he came up to me and he said, you aren't [ bleep ]. i said, you're not. >> i told him to stop talking about me and i repeated it. and he said, what are you going to do? and i repeated it again, stop talking about me. and then he walked up to me in my face and said, now what are you going to do? >> five minutes later he bum rushed me. >> don't come at me. >> slammed me against the wall. >> i put my hand in his face. i don't know what i did after that. >> he starts scratching my face. i grabbed him around the waist and threw him on the floor and hit him twice in self-defense to get him let go of my neck. i have 100 witnesses i can bring up at d-board. i'm not worried about it

when people say what makes this place different, i point to the century theater and seiko watch a movie but don't worry about the movie. watch the ads before the movie. it is all about hiring programmers in silicon valley. no place in the world is like that. i go to pizza hut on the homestead and all those little tables and it is not filled with guys writing poems. it is three or four middle-aged people and they got spread sheets on a tablet and they are starting a company. i had never been any place on the planet where you see startup teams everywhere you go. >> it is all tech companies. with people from other states not to mention other planets know what all these ads are for? this is interesting, back on the book someone wants to know if you have any bumps when interviewing for the intel book? you covered these guys. >> one of the nice things about doing this book was i covered in tel longer than anybody. all the trade press guys that started out with, covering intel on the first week, i got a lot of interviews and i kept them with more. i know most of the guys with the team develope

reverend seiko, organizer and pastor who has come in as part of the organizing effort. what was your reaction when i told you about the rocks being chucked, the trash can that went through a window? >> these babies are in so much pain. they're living under occupation. there are tanks on both ends of the street. they have not gotten justice. many of them saw our dear brother and son, mike brown laying in the street for four hours. the average income of in ferguson is less than $20,000 a year. there are ongoing stories, we have heard about. people being attacked by the police and being harassed by the police. and so -- martin luther king reminded us eloquently, 50 years ago that riots and violence, sometimes it is the language of the unheard. >> yeah, i think the point about pane you made. is an important one for people to understand who are not here. which is the sense of rage, grief, anguish, and, and the, and pain, just sheer pain is just extremely palpable right now from people. >> yes, i mean that -- they are like rachel. they will not be consoled. in the sense that