there's 15 employees that are either drivers or parking attendant folks, and they are right now under seiu, and kaiser wanted to contract that out to make it more flexible in terms of services, and one of the main concerns i have with that is, what do you -- we're going to lose union jobs, and they assured me that the company that they are going to work with is a union shop, and, in fact, i confirmed that with the teamsters who are the bargaining unit for that company. and so we wouldn't be losing necessarily union jobs. now, what happens to these workers, do they get -- would they be able to get the jobs back from these companies from, you know, moving from kaiser employee to be this company's employee, and there was assurance that they would, and, in fact, that they wouldn't be starting at a beginning rate, but actually would be grandfathered to whatever they are making now. and the rates themselves in terms of starting rates, i believe they are one cent apart. the other option that these 15 employees would have, my understanding from kaiser, is that they would be able to work -- if they