selah." so under herbert w. armstrong, years ago, they wrote in his plain truth magazine that edom was turkey. now you can prove that very easily. it's not hard. but turkey did move from where they were anciently. and it's also the ishmaelites--saudi arabia; moab-jordan; hagarenes-anciently dwelt in the land known as syria today; gebal-also lebanon; amnon-is also jordan. so these are not just extremely precise, but it gives you a pretty exact picture of where all these nations are and who they're going to be allied with in the very near future. now, look, god put these nations there so we could understand. he named them so we could understand what is going to happen in the middle east and in europe, and that you need to be aware of it because it is going to be, in many ways, a kind of a violent turn to the right, as it has happened in the recent past, and we ought to know that. but you'll have three of those nations there are actually mentioned twice, and i think that just indicates the division in those nations