alix: joining us now, stefan selig.secretary international trade for the department of commerce under president obama. who has the upper hand? stefan: the president has often said trade wars are easy to win. we are well-positioned to do that because the size and strength of our economy. in part, that is true, but there are also real costs to our economy. the chinese have real cards in their hands. presidency doesn't have a reelection -- president xi doesn't have a reelection coming up. he essentially controls the media. any copulation has a level of patience as the u.s. continues to face pressures around the tariffs. i think both sides have an interesting set of cards in their hands. ed: you say easy to win, but what does winning look like here? stefan: it depends. the administration has said they are looking for a comprehensive deal or a complete deal, to use the word the commerce secretary has recently said. that means it will be about fundamental reforms in the chinese economy and state support of those businesses, w