, i don’t mind, people’s artist, went through the war, come on, well, i’ll give you a bottle and selikhanptures for a couple, money, fame in half, but i agree, yes, well, by the way, i heard a story that the then minister of culture of the ussr, ekaterina furtseva, did not like kaminsky’s sculpture. and what didn’t suit her? well, when they were nominated for a prize and the material was transported, it means there , to moscow, furtseva came then , that’s why she said, why is this such a weak sculpture you have, that this old man there, uh, this guy was given into his hands, you why couldn’t they give him a real good machine gun? lenin prize, buffet, yes, and i was just standing across furtsev and zykin’s table, with they had to repent all the time, reveal the secret, why the khatyn memorial complex... twice, that’s what was wrong, the first time, mazarov participated in the khatyn siege, and something about the village, and where the concentration camps were, there were so many concentration camps, that’s when the team entered the concentration camps, and yes, well, concentration camps,

well the sketch was on competition of my work, in plasticine, then, that means, when i agreed with selikhanking meter-long model, yes, i come, i say, sergey ivanovich, something is not right, not that, but that, i say, i can’t understand, but that’s not it, exactly 10 days later it dawned on me what the problem is, he’s under this kid’s chin, and i come running and say, i understand what the problem is, it needs to be as low as possible so that it works like a sculpture exclamation point, and he keeps coming, but my workshop is turned off, which means paved yes. in the clay of an old man, i come, i look, serikhanov sculpted the eyes, eyebrows, nose, mouth, ears, i say, sergei, what is it, and what, and what, i say, but it’s not like that, it ’s all he took a club, that means he climbed on the scaffolding, and there are shandras, which means he pressed his beard into his eyes with his fists, which means he smeared it, which means, uh, this hair. that means in this way too, and he says, what are you doing, valentin will laugh, i say, let them laugh, for your work on khatyn you received the le