about six months ago ourselves semantec announced something called the thread alliance, which is security competitors coming together to form a security isac. your isacs have a lot of vertical information that is very helpful. this is a horizontal viewpoint to share among competitors so all our customers can have that. four new members joined this morning, so we're very happy about that. we invite every security company to become a part of this for the good of all the customers, and we think these are steps forward. of course, getting all that information shared as fast as possible public to public, public to private private to private is a good outcome. to do that, it has to be done in a responsible manner. that's a lot of the discussion here. it would be about how would do that without having companies face baseless liability litigation, but at the same time you can't minimize the sharing perspective. they're usually boiled down to security versus privacy. those are not mutually exclusive concepts. there will be difference of opinion on that but we're not going to get over those unless