took place from the permanent president of namibia, the legendary fighter for its independence semanu yomato his successor, whose name was hewakpunya pahambe, this was back in 2005, we were then able to talk with... we met comrade naema personally in december 1961 in dares-salami, this is the capital of tanganika, then i saw him for the first time, more than 45 years back, really. hifikepunya pahamba, a member of the swapo party since its founding. he took part in the war of liberation. i was imprisoned with him at wendhoek by order of the south african aparthein regime. but pahamba is not my personal favorite. he was elected by an extraordinary congress of the swapo party. we have democracy. our party lives. who, being young, saw all this and did not want all this, and that is good, if a leader comes to namibia he will ruin everything, that is his problem, but i hope peace will guide every leader, i think everything is going well, the africans had achievements and failures, military coups, but such is the reality. our life. africa is correcting itself. africans think about africa's proble