we had a lively semiserious, semiamusing. but more serious than amusing. >> let's go back to this chart. it really is your rating. it's maybe hard for some people to read your rating there of the last three presidents. george bush one, and bill clinton and george bush two. you gave an overall solid b to george herbert walker b. an uneven c to bill kline and a failed f to george walker bush, why? >> because i think george bush firsthandled really brilliantly the disintegration of the soviet union. and the military phase of the gulf war. but i don't think he deserves an overall a because he really didn't seize the opportunity particularly in the mideast to give the peace process a breakthrough push which he could have done. and he didn't seize the moment, articulate a vision for the future for which is moment was right and which the world was expecting. and that gradually slipped into a kind of imperial posture particularly in the defense posture statement that his staff developed for him. and then of the authors of that defens