and, um, when we seeked out the foundations, they were able to assist us like semper fi fund and operation home front, soldiers' angels. i mean, there's so many that, um, that do -- there are great foundations that help and assist, yes. >> great. thank you. >> uh-huh. >> mr. rieckhoff, infoáó your written testimony you state that long-term costs between 600 billion and a trillion to care for oef, oif veterans alone. i mentioned learning more about your estimate. is this a study conducted by you folk or any other organization that would come up -- >> i think this is, actually, to the doctor's earlier point. estimates are all over the place. and in part because we don't have real good research on a lot of things. um, so, you know, these are high-end, low-end estimates that come from a variety of places ranging from, um, from rand to harvard researchers to veterans' groups. and i think two things we have to identify to earlier questions is on homelessness the va just released their new numbers of 10,000. those numbers are really fuzzy. places like veterans don't even count people when they go