and by means testing that and what senatorieberman and i did on medicare means testing that and slowly raising the age of medicare today. well actlly creates some significant savings. the bill we cosponsored today together was certainly over $600 billion. >> charlie: explain it to me. >> here's the number one point. if you're a senior on medicare today and your position is you don't want anything change, you have to realize in five years it's going to change whether you want it to or not. it doesn't matter who is president. because we can't borrow the money to fund it. trustees 20 this on the hospital trust fund but more than likely it's going to be 2016 just because of our economy and we're adding 2.5 million people a year. we have an impossible situati. so we have two choice for seniors. we can do nothing for four years. but when we come to the point where we actually have to make the changes, it's much more severe, much harder on the poor this country and less effective in terms of the total lounge term versus if we start now and do that through a slow transition process and still w