program, which is the biggest program that seneca has, in collaboration with our partners at juvenile probation and child welfare, there's a huge study that's done annually that not only looks at the cans assessment, but for child welfare and j.p.d., it looks at recidivism, looks at arrests, and looks at child change of placement. >> president cohen: when you say looks at, what -- can you quantify that? >> yeah, sorry. so child -- both child welfare and juvenile probation have their own databases which track how many times a child has had to change placements. so as part of the overall annual report, they mine data from those databases to look at -- for a child that's enrolled in the program, they track how many moves that child has had because that's one of the measures as to whether or not the intervention is successful. >> president cohen: okay. thank you. and the benchmark that you're using, is this an industry standard? >> the cans is an industry standard. >> president cohen: okay. thank you. that answers my question. nope, that's it. to the gentleman. >> thank you. jim stillwell