you feel when you walk over there, because you go from site to site so that the church of the holy sepulcar, and the rock where jesus's body was washed after it was taken down off the cross, it's there and you see the people come up and they're kissing it, they're getting down and they're kissing it - that kind of reverence and power. and that's exactly what we're talking about and the difference - looking back at the notes again, mircea eliade talked about the sacred, which you know, we're touching on now. the profane, on the other hand, it's simply a word in his language which means the common, ordinary, and utilitarian. but what we're looking at with our notes is the fact that through this hierophany - a word that he had to create in order to describe this - what is ordinary and everyday can be infused with power. >> a contemporary example of that, on this sacred space, that you wouldn't think of it as necessarily sacred, but because of the energy of the people, i think it was the vietnam veterans memorial in washington, d.c. as i approached that sculpture, i couldn't even speak - i just