great to have you with us. >> thank you for having me. >> serco. what in the world is a british firm being -- i mean, why bring in a british firm for a billion-dollar contract? >> that's an excellent question. >> that's why i started to it. >> i don't have an answer to it. it's pretty shocking that they ended up getting the contract with the record they have. they haven't done a particularly good job with it. they're under investigation for several different things including falsifying records, maybe overbilling the british government biy millions and millions of dollars. and in detention centers they run, there have been allegations. i find their record astonishing. >> and we really have no idea in the world why they chose serco other than the fact that its vast experience wi the national health service in the uk. >> well, there's a cynical explanation for this. and that's that they spent very heavily on lobbying and political contributions leading up to when they got the contract. so they spent, in the last couple years, more than a million dolla

great to have you with us. >> thank you for having me. >> serco.ld is a british firm being -- i mean, why bring in a british firm for a billion-dollar contract? >> that's an excellent question. >> that's why i started to it. >> i don't have an answer to it. it's pretty shocking that they ended up getting the contract with the record they have. they haven't done a particularly good job with it. they're under investigation for several different things including falsifying records, maybe overbilling the british government biy millions and millions of dollars. and in detention centers they run, there have been allegations. i find their record astonishing. >> and we really have no idea in the world why they chose serco other than the fact that its vast experience with the national health service in the uk. >> well, there's a cynical explanation for this. and that's that they spent very heavily on lobbying and political contributions leading up to when they got the contract. so they spent, in the last couple years, more than a million dollars. and one of

now that a criminal investigation has been opened into g4s and serco, will he sit down with his justice secretary, reconsider the options and at least trial the payment-by- results proposal to see whether it works? >> i welcome what the right honorable gentleman said who has huge experience in this area. i welcome what he says about the importance of ensuring that there is probation support for people as they leave prison, which will happen under the plans that we are putting in place. i think that payment by results can make a big difference in reducing reoffending. the cruel fact is that half of all prisoners are back in prison within two years. it is time to try a different approach and that is what the lord chancellor is doing. >> manufacturing business petford tools in my constituency accessed the regional growth fund earlier this year, creating 23 jobs as a result. will my right honorable friend join me in congratulating managing director melvin sinar and major customers jaguar land rover, bentley and jcb on that success, and consider visiting the company with me on his next visit

now that a criminal investigation has been opened into g4s and serco, will he sit down with his justice secretary, reconsider the options and at least trial the payment-by- results proposal to see whether it works? >> i welcome what the honorable gentleman said who has huge experience in this area. i welcome what he says about the importance of ensuring that there is probation support for people as they leave prison, which will happen under the plans that we are putting in place. i think that payment by results can make a big difference in reducing reoffending. the cruel fact is that half of all prisoners are back in prison within two years. it is time to try a different approach and that is what the lord chancellor is doing. >> manufacturing business petford tools in my constituency accessed the regional growth fund earlier this year, creating 23 jobs as a result. will my right honorable friend join me in congratulating managing director melvin sinar and major customers jaguar land rover, bentley and jcb on that success, and consider visiting the company with me on his next visit to th