sergey karaganov in moscow, welcome to hardtalk. good afternoon.d afternoon and welcome and let me ask you a simple question, after almost a year of war in ukraine is russia ready to acknowledge that it is going badly wrong? it is a war. and we will be winning the war, there is no question about that, the question is of course, the casualties, the destruction of ukraine, ukrainians are used as cannon fodder in order war of ukraine, ukrainians are used as cannon fodder in our war with the west, i sympathise with them. but it is their fate. i'm surprised you say that because a month before the invasion began on the 24th of debris, on the 19th of january you actually said this — i am sure we have no plans to invade ukraine because it would be and to quote your precise words, senseless. at thatjuncture this piece was never published. iassumed... but you still wrote it? i wrote it. i accept that. i assumed it would happen later or else i thought that it should have happened earlier but it happened when it happened. so the juncture was a while away. the

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this is sergey alexandrovich karaganov, and i once even taught the internal foreign policy of the unitedth regard to the special operation that russia is conducting and about your ties and relations with the donetsk and lugansk people's republics, which at one time, like abkhazia, were also states recognized by the russian federation, then they decided to join the russian federation abkhazia remains sovereign independent state, but still, your relations with the dpr that, probably, have probably been preserved and strengthened. here. tell about it. i am glad to welcome the opportunity of our dialogue of our communication. you you know, we fully support the goals and objectives of the special military operation unconditionally. we have repeatedly spoken about this and the head of our state, aslan georgievich janiya, has repeatedly spoken about this, looking at these shots. all abkhazians recall the footage of the patriotic war. e of the people of abkhazia who was in the ninety-second ninety-third year and the words of the first president of the national leader of abkhazia vladislav arzin